• Nimbly@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Being afraid of black people because of something unrelated to their race is very different than being cautious of men for something directly related to their sex

    Not really, you are assuming the behavior of someone based on their immutable characteristics, they are both prejudice.

    There is no way to visually distinguish a rapist.

    Except if they look like a man, right?

    You would have me put myself at risk or be a complete social hermit just for the sake of “fairness.”

    No, I would have you be cautious of every human because every human is a possible abuser. Your trauma is not an excuse for prejudice, neither is statistics. Judging any individual because of the group they were born as is prejudice, you are a prejudiced and intolerant person.

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      I am not assuming anyone’s behavior. I am acting with the caution that my experiences dictate, because I don’t want to be raped again. Men and women can be rapists. I am orders of magnitude more likely to be raped again by a man. My trauma isn’t excusing prejudice because I am not prejudiced against men. I am not judging any individuals, I am just choosing to not be alone with any men that don’t hold my absolute trust. It simply isn’t about them. No man is owed my time, or the time of anyone else, and it’s well within my rights to choose to my company.

      Again, it’s not about you. I am not judging any individuals, I hold no opinion on them personally, whatsoever. Is choosing to wait for my friend to be ready to leave so I don’t walk home alone prejudice? Is carrying pepper spray in an accessible location prejudice? Is declining invitations from acquaintances because I don’t want to be alone with them before I know them better prejudiced? All of these choices are informed by my experiences. I have much more to fear from a random man than a random woman, statistically. It isn’t even close. I have watched men try to single out friends of mine, friends of mine have been roofied, or worse, even ignoring my own experiences.

      The only way I treat men differently is the same way most women are taught to growing up, by bitter experience or through lessons from our peers and parents: I exercise caution in who has my company, when, and in what environment, because no one is owed my presence or my trust. The people that are safe will show me that and the people that are not will get defensive and make it about them.

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        3 days ago

        You’re right, but I’ve found that men absolutely hate this argument. They hate hearing “I don’t trust you”. They think good people deserve trust and they completely refuse to see from your perspective that you don’t know if they’re good people yet, and think having to earn your trust is unfair.

        Here’s the truth, guys. Women generally lack the desire or capability to sexually assault other women. When we get assaulted it’s by men, almost always. We don’t have to distrust women for our own protection. If men would stop assaulting us, we would find it easier to trust random guys… but they just won’t fucking stop. You cannot explain your point of view or how unfair it is to you in a way that will change our minds. The only way to get women to stop being afraid of you is to get men to stop assaulting us.

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        3 days ago

        Is carrying pepper spray in an accessible location prejudice? Is declining invitations from acquaintances because I don’t want to be alone with them before I know them better prejudiced?

        I already answered this, caution is not prejudice, but being cautious towards a specific demographic is prejudice. I’m not interested in hearing your prejudiced rationales, I’ve heard many over the years and they’re largely the same.

        I have much more to fear from a random man than a random woman, statistically

        Yes, as said, statistics are not an excuse to be prejudiced. You cannot treat someone differently because of the group they were born as, that is prejudice. Go ahead and carry pepper spray, because anyone can attack you, but your trauma is leading you to rationalize prejudice and that is absolutely not acceptable in a tolerant society.

        You keep making strawmen arguments because you cannot accept that someone is simply anti-prejudice.