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    17 hours ago

    They are the lesser of the available evils. Anthropic, the proprietors of Claude, were blacklisted by the US administration for refusing to greenlight their technology being used for fascism.

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            4 hours ago

            Yes, but not for targeting, as explained in the article I linked.

            The Maven Smart System is the platform that came out of those exercises, and it, not Claude, is what is being used to produce “target packages” in Iran.

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              4 hours ago

              Anthropic’s AI did data analysis for Project Maven, which was a system that used data analyzed by various sources to target a school. So the AI is part of the “kill-chain” no?

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                4 hours ago

                I suggest you read the article.

                The AI underneath the interface is not a language model, or at least the AI that counts is not. The core technologies are the same basic systems that recognise your cat in a photo library or let a self-driving car combine its camera, radar and lidar into a single picture of the road, applied here to drone footage, radar and satellite imagery of military targets. They predate large language models by years. Neither Claude nor any other LLMs detects targets, processes radar, fuses sensor data or pairs weapons to targets. LLMs are late additions to Palantir’s ecosystem. In late 2024, years after the core system was operational, Palantir added an LLM layer – this is where Claude sits – that lets analysts search and summarise intelligence reports in plain English. But the language model was never what mattered about this system.

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                  3 hours ago

                  Yes. I never said it was an LLM. It was probably some custom AI system made by Anthropic.

                  Are we agreed that some Anthropic AI system (not necessarily the Claude LLM) was in the kill chain? That was what I was trying to say from the beginning.

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                    3 hours ago

                    Well you’ll need to source your claim. The wiki article you linked only mention Claude.

                    The Anthropic contract is also quite recent compared to Maven creation.

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        12 hours ago

        That’s one way to spin it.

        My take on it is that it was used inappropriately, and when the fascists wanted it tailored for that abhorrent use, Anthropic refused, and in retaliation the fascists banned it for ANY use, so now Anthropic is suing to allow the sane to continue using it for it’s appropriate uses.

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          11 hours ago

          What sane use? And how does this company plan to prevent the fascists from using it to kill another 120 children?

          The only not-evil move is to not sell dual-use goods to fascists in the first place.

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            11 hours ago

            You seriously can’t think of any sane use? How about categorizing large amounts of data. Brainstorming strategies for problem solving. Converting pseudo code to actual code. Troubleshooting error messages. I mean, there are dozens upon dozens of valid uses that harm no one.

            How does Bic plan to prevent murderers from stabbing people with their pens? How does Toyota plan to stop drivers from committing vehicular manslaughter? How does Hewlett-Packard plan on preventing fascists from saving manifestos? How does Apple plan on preventing sexual criminals from taking pictures of their victims?

            What’s that? Companies don’t need to accomplish impossible tasks to have a viable product? I guess it’s only AI that has insurmountable demands placed on them by reactionaries.

            The only not-evil move is to sit in a cave using sticks, once the trees figure out how to keep cavemen from beating their children with them.

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              4 hours ago

              I wasn’t clear. What I meant was: what sane things could a fascist military use AI for?

              “Reactionary” lmao. My friend, I use LLMs all the time. Just not the proprietary ones from companies that are in bed with fascists.