• lugal@sopuli.xyz
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    18 hours ago

    a many thousand year old narrative

    Wait, you first called it fascistic and now it’s many thousand years old? How old do you think fascism is and do you think that Ancient Athens was already white supremacist?

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      17 hours ago

      Alright fine, proto-fascistic, or you could argue that it’s been so fully incorporated into the fascist mythology that it’s effectively a part of it. It’s not as if fascism arose from the aether. Also while I wouldn’t call your average member of the athenian polis “white” supremacist, they were absolutely supremacists.

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        9 hours ago

        fully incorporated into the fascist mythology

        True, fascist mythology is to a big degree about projecting a golden thread through history. The Germanic people for example do not have a coherent history as the Nazis made it look like. By saying that the narrative is thousands of years old, you imply that western history really is as coherent as fascists make it look like; that European or White identity really is an old thing.

        It’s not as if fascism arose from the aether.

        I’ll give you a few centuries, 5 or 6 if I’m generous, but not a millennium, much less “many thousand years”.

        Also while I wouldn’t call your average member of the athenian polis “white” supremacist, they were absolutely supremacists.

        Which is a very different narrative.

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          8 hours ago

          I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say. In this context “fascistic” is a descriptive/indexical term not trying to literally say “the ideological form of facism we understand nowadays arose directly from the legal code of Solon of Athens.”.

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            7 hours ago

            In your first comment, you said:

            but it’s not going to be easy to convince people that a many thousand year old narrative is “wrong”.

            So which narrative are you referring to? Is there really a narrative that is many thousand years old? Or are you saying that the narrative is about many thousand years? Your comment reads like the idea that democracy is invented in Athens (and therefore by white Europeans) is many thousand years old which doesn’t make much sense to me.