One of my boys was washing the dishes a couple of weeks ago. The oldest (not the same one) has never washed dishes properly, always not enough detergent and cold water. I’ve gone over and checked to see if the water was hot enough and that it was sudsing. The eldest has come in, said ‘you don’t need hot water or much detergent’. I ignored him as I’ve taught him all this before and he didn’t listen, so he got the shits with me and marched outside. I followed him out after and he gave me a mouthful about how I embarrassed him in front of other family members and I’m a know all know nothing.
Anyway, out comes the AI he subscribes to, and it tells him that ‘yes, hot as it can be withstood if possible as this ensures grease removal, and aiding the detergent in breaking grease down’. I then got another mouthful for being a smart arse and this time it was added with ‘you’re always such a smartarse about it’, when I never said a word to him.
Where does he think AI gets this kind of information from?
It’s not totally necessary but you’re using a fair bit of detergent if you’re not and making dish life a lot more difficult for yourself. You really should be if you can and as hot as you can stand it. Hot water alone is one of the best solvents out there, I even use it to help break clay down.
The sad reality is that people never change their mind in the moment, and if they do, they won’t tell you. People are emotional creatures. His ego was 100% in defense mode. All that said, he could very well use more detergent and warmer water next time. At least as long as his parent isn’t around to see lol.
Yeah nah he’s taken it well in the end. You’re right though, it was ego defense. It’s funny, I recall trying to teach him and his sisters together years ago but he objected, saying it’s something he can work out for himself and I’ve reminded him a couple of times since but it’s never sunk in till this episode and he had to admit I was right about it.
Kids talking back to their parents is as old as time. Before they were lost to AI, it was social media. Before that, it was 4chan or SomethingAwful. Before that it was IRC or forums or newsgroups. Before that it was BBSes and D&D. Before that it was TV and video games and movies and comic books.
A child reading a comic book and talking back to a parent is definitely not a logical equivalent to a kid using LLM’s habitually and talking back to their parent.
One of my boys was washing the dishes a couple of weeks ago. The oldest (not the same one) has never washed dishes properly, always not enough detergent and cold water. I’ve gone over and checked to see if the water was hot enough and that it was sudsing. The eldest has come in, said ‘you don’t need hot water or much detergent’. I ignored him as I’ve taught him all this before and he didn’t listen, so he got the shits with me and marched outside. I followed him out after and he gave me a mouthful about how I embarrassed him in front of other family members and I’m a know all know nothing.
Anyway, out comes the AI he subscribes to, and it tells him that ‘yes, hot as it can be withstood if possible as this ensures grease removal, and aiding the detergent in breaking grease down’. I then got another mouthful for being a smart arse and this time it was added with ‘you’re always such a smartarse about it’, when I never said a word to him.
Where does he think AI gets this kind of information from?
You don’t need hot water though? in my family, and guessing my entire culture, we wash with tap water and just scrub until it’s clean
You don’t need hot water, it just makes stuff more soluble faster, is more pleasant to wash with, and makes rinsing off the soap WAY faster.
Also, if you rinse off your dishes as soon as you’re done eating, or soak them in hot water, you barely need to scrub.
So, you don’t NEED hot water, it just saves a ton of time. I spend maybe 20 minutes a week total doing dishes. Having a dishwasher helps a lot, too.
It’s not totally necessary but you’re using a fair bit of detergent if you’re not and making dish life a lot more difficult for yourself. You really should be if you can and as hot as you can stand it. Hot water alone is one of the best solvents out there, I even use it to help break clay down.
I’m sorry your child was lost to AI.
This battle is not over, he’s learning
The sad reality is that people never change their mind in the moment, and if they do, they won’t tell you. People are emotional creatures. His ego was 100% in defense mode. All that said, he could very well use more detergent and warmer water next time. At least as long as his parent isn’t around to see lol.
Yeah nah he’s taken it well in the end. You’re right though, it was ego defense. It’s funny, I recall trying to teach him and his sisters together years ago but he objected, saying it’s something he can work out for himself and I’ve reminded him a couple of times since but it’s never sunk in till this episode and he had to admit I was right about it.
Kids talking back to their parents is as old as time. Before they were lost to AI, it was social media. Before that, it was 4chan or SomethingAwful. Before that it was IRC or forums or newsgroups. Before that it was BBSes and D&D. Before that it was TV and video games and movies and comic books.
On and on and on it goes.
A child reading a comic book and talking back to a parent is definitely not a logical equivalent to a kid using LLM’s habitually and talking back to their parent.
Kids used to read comic books pretty habitually.
Otherwise what’s your point? We’re talking informally here anyway, so what exactly do you mean by logical equivalence?