security cameras run by the establishment are not the same as earpod cams maneuvered into place to watch some poor woman do squats. it’s who’s controlling the footage and storing the take - those are very different things!
none of this is rocket science either. the pub doesn’t put cameras in above the urinals - the creep standing next to you recording your junk - is that in public? it’s in a public place.
ok, so we agree there’s grey area and people shouldn’t do it.
so are these glasses really the same as everything that came before, considering they can do the above admittedly offensive actions without the knowledge (much less consent) of the victim?
so you got so close but then veered off into strawman territory.
escalators a public space?
look, I’m not inventing this shit, it’s happening with phones today. you’re simply giving someone a very anonymous new way to do the same old creepy shit.
You seem to think I am in favor of these douchey things when all I argued was where you have an expectation of privacy.
I am not giving anyone anything. These aren’t even new. Spy cameras of various size and shape disguised as something NOT a camera have existed since I was a kid.
If you argue for the banning of filming in public and not for banning a particular style of device, then you need to think about the whole situation a lot harder.
So why are they douchey? You just don’t like horn rim hipster glasses, I guess. Nothing to do with the other type of lenses built in that can record someone’s upskirt from across a train car. Those panties are in a public space so nbd.
I’ve repeatedly said this is not my goal. why do you keep reframing the disagreement in these terms?
I’m pointing out that the expectation of privacy is a shitty metric when we know there are creeps who will use every tool available - and if these become ubiquitous they’ll become the go-to tool for creeps. The spy cams you mention are generally very low resolution / shitty lenses etc.,
NOT WEARABLES. And there are people (see vid elsewhere in thread) already seeking to disable the activity lights.
No further discussion is necessary, gonna block you now, hope one day you wake up to the grey areas we live in where simple declarations don’t cover the nuance.
security cameras run by the establishment are not the same as earpod cams maneuvered into place to watch some poor woman do squats. it’s who’s controlling the footage and storing the take - those are very different things!
none of this is rocket science either. the pub doesn’t put cameras in above the urinals - the creep standing next to you recording your junk - is that in public? it’s in a public place.
no thanks.
Yeah, it isn’t rocket science. The bathrooms are already protected as private spaces. The rest of the store is not.
gee so there’s a bit of nuance there huh?
Yes; and it’s more about who and how the person filming is behaving than where they are filming.
ok, so we agree there’s grey area and people shouldn’t do it.
so are these glasses really the same as everything that came before, considering they can do the above admittedly offensive actions without the knowledge (much less consent) of the victim?
You’re so close…
If someone wanted to film up your skirt at the gym with these things on, I think you’d notice their head between your legs.
so you got so close but then veered off into strawman territory.
escalators a public space?
look, I’m not inventing this shit, it’s happening with phones today. you’re simply giving someone a very anonymous new way to do the same old creepy shit.
You seem to think I am in favor of these douchey things when all I argued was where you have an expectation of privacy.
I am not giving anyone anything. These aren’t even new. Spy cameras of various size and shape disguised as something NOT a camera have existed since I was a kid.
If you argue for the banning of filming in public and not for banning a particular style of device, then you need to think about the whole situation a lot harder.
So why are they douchey? You just don’t like horn rim hipster glasses, I guess. Nothing to do with the other type of lenses built in that can record someone’s upskirt from across a train car. Those panties are in a public space so nbd.
I’ve repeatedly said this is not my goal. why do you keep reframing the disagreement in these terms?
I’m pointing out that the expectation of privacy is a shitty metric when we know there are creeps who will use every tool available - and if these become ubiquitous they’ll become the go-to tool for creeps. The spy cams you mention are generally very low resolution / shitty lenses etc.,
NOT WEARABLES. And there are people (see vid elsewhere in thread) already seeking to disable the activity lights.
No further discussion is necessary, gonna block you now, hope one day you wake up to the grey areas we live in where simple declarations don’t cover the nuance.