• workerONE@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    News outlets like to pretend that cessation of further attacks is failure. We started the war with a Tomahawk missile which killed 168 people, more than 100 school children. Destroyed apartments, hospitals, bridges, water supply. Continuing that shit would have been a success? A victory?

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      Defeat was inevitable already when the first missile was sent. No matter if USA sent more or didn’t. there was no possible winning strategy. All analysts knew this.

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      I’m pretty sure they’re saying trump didn’t achieve what he wanted. Mainly because he didn’t even know what he wanted.

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      Probably more like the initiation of attacks was a failure. Me yielding when getting beaten up by a boxer isn’t the mistake. Me starting a fight with one in the first place was.

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      That’s just wrong. The war started with great many missiles and bombs some of which did what you claimed. A single missile can only destroy a single thing. And when you remember how many bombs fell a minor amount of collateral and misstargeting is the usual horror of war.

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      I mean, America likes to destroy civilizations (a country that has Native genocide as its origin story), it’s the anti-civ “civ” after all, so I guess it is an American failure. Now, those now left in power in Iran could still sell off the country to Western oligarchs, which would be a victory for America but that’s still seemingly undecided.

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      You’re presenting a false binary where this MOU and continuing the conflict, as it is, are the only options.

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        Not really, because he describes an escalation, which is the third option. As in there are 2 ways to continue the war, status quo or escalation, and the alternative to those is the peace agreement.

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          There are other peace agreements available. A continued engagement would be more likely to generate them, too.

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            Holy fuck I’ve never seen someone so callously support continuing to kill civilians just to get “a better deal” when it took 3 months of killing civilians and life supporting infrastructure to get to this deal.

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            So you are saying an infinite number of possible peace agreements equals infinite possibilities?

            That’s not how this works, peace talks is one option, not infinite.