Spanish constitution defines freedom of speech as “no censorship”. You can’t stop someone from publishing something but you very much can make them legally responsible for what they publish. Libel and defamation are still illegal under freedom of speech, right?
In Canada its not freedom of speech but rather freedom of expression when the expression doesn’t infringe on others’ freedom from hate which I’m so much happier with. Why the fuck Americans celebrate their freedom to be a nazi or whatever makes absolutely zero sense to me
Do you not see how easily “freedom from hate” can be subverted by, I dunno, Zionists? I don’t think Canada has huge issues with that but the UK is horrific.
Hopefully I can cunningham’s law a more intelligent response, but libel and defamation aren’t “illegal” as in the police will arrest you for it, it’s a civil violation, so the target of that libel would have to sue you for it.
Different countries have different bars for proving defamation. Famously, British media avoids calling drunk people drunk, and instead uses “tired and emotional” or similar, because if you say someone was drunk, but you can’t prove it, you are liable if they sue. Contrast that to the US, where if you sue someone for calling you drunk, you have to prove that they would know that they are lying.
Both methods are subject to abuse, but since suing costs money, it’s more often a weapon of the privileged, so I prefer the US method.
Yeah, but I suppose even then, you probably wouldnt be hunted down by the police for slandering a random person, it would only be if you insulted someone wealthy/powerful?
In Spain people were also prosecuted for threats and promoting terrorism. One raper was sentenced to prison for praising ETA and insulting the King but he escaped to Belgium which denied Spain extradition because insulting Spanish king is not a crime there.
Being prosecuted for insulting the King is of course stupid and this law should be changed but this and praising ETA are just more examples of this you can’t legally say in Spain. The law can’t prevent you from saying it but it can punish you afterwards.
Spanish constitution defines freedom of speech as “no censorship”. You can’t stop someone from publishing something but you very much can make them legally responsible for what they publish. Libel and defamation are still illegal under freedom of speech, right?
In Canada its not freedom of speech but rather freedom of expression when the expression doesn’t infringe on others’ freedom from hate which I’m so much happier with. Why the fuck Americans celebrate their freedom to be a nazi or whatever makes absolutely zero sense to me
Do you not see how easily “freedom from hate” can be subverted by, I dunno, Zionists? I don’t think Canada has huge issues with that but the UK is horrific.
Canada and the UK are different countries, that’s a bit like saying:
“hey look just because your apples aren’t suffering from orange blight doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be worried about the banana starmer virus”
Its possible the canadian rules are just better or even have their own set of unique problems
I mean, looking at the USA kind of shows that “freedom of speech” isn’t really helping ya there either lol
Hopefully I can cunningham’s law a more intelligent response, but libel and defamation aren’t “illegal” as in the police will arrest you for it, it’s a civil violation, so the target of that libel would have to sue you for it.
Different countries have different bars for proving defamation. Famously, British media avoids calling drunk people drunk, and instead uses “tired and emotional” or similar, because if you say someone was drunk, but you can’t prove it, you are liable if they sue. Contrast that to the US, where if you sue someone for calling you drunk, you have to prove that they would know that they are lying.
Both methods are subject to abuse, but since suing costs money, it’s more often a weapon of the privileged, so I prefer the US method.
Over here it’s very much a criminal offense, so this only applies to some countries.
Yeah, but I suppose even then, you probably wouldnt be hunted down by the police for slandering a random person, it would only be if you insulted someone wealthy/powerful?
The police don’t hunt you down unless the victim filed a criminal complaint with them first. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antragsdelikt
Except for politicians, for some reason they’re exempt though there seem to be plans to change this because it’s incredibly unpopular.
In Spain people were also prosecuted for threats and promoting terrorism. One raper was sentenced to prison for praising ETA and insulting the King but he escaped to Belgium which denied Spain extradition because insulting Spanish king is not a crime there.
Being prosecuted for insulting the King is of course stupid and this law should be changed but this and praising ETA are just more examples of this you can’t legally say in Spain. The law can’t prevent you from saying it but it can punish you afterwards.
Yes, free speech is just about beeing able to voice your political opinion
Not just political