• Treczoks@lemmy.world
    8·
    15 hours ago

    You could replace the picture and name with that of another tinpot dictator like Trump, and it would still fit.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 hours ago

      It kinda does. Otherwise, what you’re advocating is State Censorship.

      The 1st Amendment, as written, isn’t just the right to speak but to publish and proselytize and (critically) assemble. You do not merely have the right to speak, but the right to be heard. You cannot be kept out of public spaces because of your personal opinions or expressed beliefs. You cannot be denied peers to hear you on the grounds that too many people with the same opinion constitute a hazard. And you cannot be squelched strictly on the grounds of an ideological dispute.

      Obviously, this is the letter of the law and not the spirit of it. When written, the provision didn’t extend to women or children or enslaved people or native people or Jews and Catholics. But over time, populations updated the enforcement and expanded provisions, such that it did include all of the above so long as you weren’t saying anything to mark you out as an Enemy of the State.

      shrug We have a set of beliefs and we have a set of actual policies. The gulf between is the contradiction that modern imperialism creates.

      • TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world
        1·
        34 minutes ago

        The difference is that you have the right get up on the soap box, but you are not guaranteed an audience once you get there. The Freedom of speech only says that you can’t be denied your own life for what you say, not that you are entitled to people to agree with you.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
    711·
    1 day ago

    Spanish constitution defines freedom of speech as “no censorship”. You can’t stop someone from publishing something but you very much can make them legally responsible for what they publish. Libel and defamation are still illegal under freedom of speech, right?

    • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
      151·
      21 hours ago

      In Canada its not freedom of speech but rather freedom of expression when the expression doesn’t infringe on others’ freedom from hate which I’m so much happier with. Why the fuck Americans celebrate their freedom to be a nazi or whatever makes absolutely zero sense to me

      • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.comEnglish
        41·
        3 hours ago

        Do you not see how easily “freedom from hate” can be subverted by, I dunno, Zionists? I don’t think Canada has huge issues with that but the UK is horrific.

        • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
          11·
          58 minutes ago

          Do you not see how easily “freedom from hate” can be subverted by, I dunno, Zionists?

          I mean, looking at the USA kind of shows that “freedom of speech” isn’t really helping ya there either lol

    • evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world
      191·
      1 day ago

      Hopefully I can cunningham’s law a more intelligent response, but libel and defamation aren’t “illegal” as in the police will arrest you for it, it’s a civil violation, so the target of that libel would have to sue you for it.

      Different countries have different bars for proving defamation. Famously, British media avoids calling drunk people drunk, and instead uses “tired and emotional” or similar, because if you say someone was drunk, but you can’t prove it, you are liable if they sue. Contrast that to the US, where if you sue someone for calling you drunk, you have to prove that they would know that they are lying.

      Both methods are subject to abuse, but since suing costs money, it’s more often a weapon of the privileged, so I prefer the US method.

      • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
        2·
        1 day ago

        In Spain people were also prosecuted for threats and promoting terrorism. One raper was sentenced to prison for praising ETA and insulting the King but he escaped to Belgium which denied Spain extradition because insulting Spanish king is not a crime there.

        Being prosecuted for insulting the King is of course stupid and this law should be changed but this and praising ETA are just more examples of this you can’t legally say in Spain. The law can’t prevent you from saying it but it can punish you afterwards.