The police reported that the Model 3 “failed to drive in a single lane, left the roadway and struck the residence” at a “high rate of speed.” The crash involved a woman, Martha Avila, who was inside the house. She was transported to a local hospital where she was pronounced dead “due to injuries she sustained from the crash,” police said. The police release said there were “no signs of intoxication” from the driver, who was also cooperative during the investigation.
- Tesla FSD is not “AI” like we know it today. If this same thing was used 5 years ago, it would be called “machine learning” because it uses Deep Learning.
- The driver was in autopilot, not FSD, so you can’t even say “machine learning is AI” because the rules are human written. Sure the vision still uses the deep learning stack, but the rest is just fancy lane keeping and cruise control.
- New facts came out that the driver had The accelerator presses all the way down. You can do this until you reach 90 MPH on autopilot and there’s even a warning on the screen saying “autopilot will not brake” that was ignored by the driver.
Ok so they weren’t under the influence but what reasons/account did they give? If I have a seizure or faint behind the wheel of a Tesla it’s going to blast me through someone’s front door?
Do not trust a company run by a racist neo-Nazi!
Okay let’s be clear that I fuckin hate AI but this still seems like user error rather than the car’s autopilot killing someone? Like… you can still slam the brakes even if you’re in autopilot mode. It’s basically souped up cruise control.
Again, I hate AI passionately, but let’s try to use our higher reasoning too, or else we’re no better than the assholes who ask ChatGPT for relationship advice and basic math
I agree with you, but I think both Tesla and the “driver” should be liable. Tesla should be liable for how they market their vehicles “self driving” features. The driver for not making a reasonable attempt to prevent an accident.
Tesla has turned off their self driving right before crashes to avoid liability.
Im not saying that’s what happened here but they have done this before.
Tesla was also recently caught fudging the safety data in order to be approved in Europe. Chances are they’ve done this everywhere.
The driver must be the one responsible, right? Otherwise it would need to be the manufacturer, I would imagine.
Really, we need to stop letting them diffuse the responsibility so much that nobody is held accountable. When we force somebody to put their name to this I bet people will suddenly stop believing in it so much.
Depends on jurisdiction. In the States, some States allow more than one party to be liable. But others are single liability States.
But basically, if you market a product as being able to do specific tasks and the person using the product uses it that way, and it kills someone or harms them, I think it comes down to who is the person or entity who’s actions directly lead to the event/could have been forseen to lead to such an event. Tesla has a lot of data on their vehicles and every day there seems to be a new report about what they knew about the safety of the “self driving” features. Specifically things like repainting the lines on roadways to get the results they wanted and potentially fabricating data or modifying it to present their vehicles as having specific capabilities. But that doesn’t mean the driver is off the hook.
So for instance the person behind the wheel could argue that they didn’t know that the vehicle could act on its own to leave the roadway and crash into a home because it’s marketed to have safety features to prevent or mitigate a collision. And the court would have to decide if they indeed had time to slam on the brakes or take over the wheel. If they did have time and they didn’t do anything to try to prevent the crash they are definitely on the hook.
I hear that. I think Tesla’s “self driving car” bullshit needs to stop until we have actual self-driving vehicles… but then, I don’t want self driving cars, I want public transport that functions so that we don’t need or want self driving cars
The funny thing is what their end goal is is too have self driving taxies so most people won’t actually own the vehicle.
Public transportation ( if it’s good) solves this and it’s better for the environment.
I think it’s China that’s experimenting with Smart cars all talking to each other so if one stops suddenly or hits a hazard they all stop at the same time.
Basically they are all linked together.
That’s what I always imagined when the idea of self-driving cars first came up - y’know, something to prevent 50 car pile-ups, that sort of thing. Not this BS :/ Now I just want a better bus system and less cars so there can be more bikes.
Watch the video. The car was FLYING. The problem with 500hp high torque EVs is if things go wrong, they can slam you back in the seat and in a second, it’s all over.
I drive a Rivian and jfc it’s so fast especially for how big it is. People who don’t drive EVs do not understand the torque and speeds and play.
You don’t get to say your car has self driving, full or otherwise, if it can fuck up so hard that it crashes into someone’s house and kills a person who wasn’t even on the fucking road.
Yeah absolutely. It’s not self driving and they shouldn’t make people think it’s self driving. Fuck Tesla
It’s Schrodinger’s self-driving car. When it drives well, it’s full self driving, when it crashes, it’s suddenly assisted self driving
Reserving judgement until I see details. Specifically, steering wheel input data and accelerator pedal data. A map of the incident with timestamps would also help.
The driver had the accelerator pressed all the way down. You can do this, but the screen says “autopilot will not brake” and lets you go all the way to 90 MPH. So this is 100% the driver’s fault.
I’m sure BigBalls is massaging the data as we speak.
Completely the driver’s fault. It is ALWAYS the responsibility of the driver to control the car. Zero exceptions.
Whether the tool is bad doesn’t matter because it is VERY easy to immediately disengage it.
But the driver at the time was the car.
How often is the auto pilot at fault and not the pilot for airplane incidents?
Hint: the answer is never.
Autosteer is just fancy cruise control.
It’s not like the driver got out of the car and let the car drive on its own.
Seriously. It takes barely any motion from the driver to disable the system. Grab the wheel and pull. Tap the brake. Flip the control stalk up/hit the off button.
The driver’s job is to not hit shit with her car. Period. Nobody should ever assume that the car will protect their lives. Whether it intends to or its not capable or what. It’s on the driver for not taking over and avoiding a collision. Always. Without exception.
Won’t someone please think of the trillionaire!?
Didn’t mention him once. He’s not relevant to the conversation. This is about a driver failing to control her car. Period.
Is it? Or is it about a major system failure leading to an uncontrollable car?
He is very relevant because he says his cars are self driving and safer than human drivers.
There’s no way the car was completely uncontrollable outside of something like a mechanical failure of the suspension or steering system. It is the easiest thing in the world to take over from those systems. You can yank the wheel. You can hit the brake. You can bump the switch. All of those are intuitive and take no time. It’s exactly as easy as turning off cruise control. Completely, 100% on the driver. Period.
Again, shit on reality instead of fantasy. There’s plenty of actual real things that Tesla does that suck. Turning off autosteer isn’t one of them. We’re making up lies and trying to criticize based on those when there’s a cornucopia of horrible truths right there ripe for the picking. All this insistence on lying is doing is weakening the argument.
Tesla is selling the car as being self-driving. If people assume that means it can drive itself, that’s Tesla’s fault.
If you have ever driven a car before, never do it again. You specifically are too stupid to be on the road if you think that way. Same for the driver of this car.
Ford, GM, Mercedes, BMW, Rivian, and a ton more car makers have the exact same technologies in their cars. Nobody says this kind of bullshit when one of them crashes. They blame the driver because that’s the truth.
If you’re going to shit on Tesla or on Elon, shit on them because of actual reality. Shit on the build quality. Shit on the labor practices. Shit on Elon’s politics. Shit on how their charging technology is now a couple of generations behind. You don’t have to make up bullshit that isn’t true. It just shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about and that you’re just farming validation by parroting stupidity. Do better.
My car has driving assist, which is pretty much the same tech. It informs me I need to keep my hands on the wheel and my eyes on the road. It reminds me I’m responsible because it is not autonomous. Tesla has the same level of assisted driving, yet they market it as “self driving”.
I also shit on everything else, and this is one more dangerous lie
Doesn’t Tesla also tell you to keep your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road at all times?
Yes. Constantly. Fella above you doesn’t care about reality though.
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Try being less of an acerbic asshat when replying to folks. Thanks.
