• outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.

    They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.

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      8 months ago

      By dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.

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          8 months ago

          Whether they deserve it or not, I won’t dehumanize them; because I don’t want to become someone who dehumanizes others.

          I will certainly fight them, I will resist them, but I will not consider them anything but human.

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              Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.

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                  8 months ago

                  I’m not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.

                  I’m talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That’s what I’m pushing back on.

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          That’s the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It’s also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.

          I think very little of them, I’m disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I’ve got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don’t, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you’re not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won’t dehumanize others.

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          The thing is, I’m not pleading for their respect. I won’t get it. I just won’t lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument “see, they are doing the same”.

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              Who said I won’t attack them? Of course I would, and have. But within the law, without dehumanizing them.

              You call me pathetic, although I’m actively fighting against the far right, oppression and crimes against humanity.

              You, on the other hand, show you are just as bad as they are.

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                  They’re not, but is that an excuse to be lawless too? If the enemy commits war crimes, how are you any better if you do the same?

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                    oh but history shows they were

                    we don’t have to guess how this plays out, educate yourself

                    ‘better’ is for the strong and civilized, we are not strong in this mess and civil went out with Jan 6th

                    they’ve broken the social contract, they no longer deserve its protection

                    but it’s moot, this will go the same way it did in Germany

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                    You shouldn’t need an excuse to be lawless; laws are usually bad, and never good in cases where something else wouldn’t do the trick.

                    They’re a tool for the powerful to save face and appropriate progressive efforts when on the defensive, to divide us and keep us complacent when they’re on the offensive. They are the shield and sword of injustice. Not a fan.

                    Your conscience, fine. But laws? That is, at best; clown shit.

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            Reflexive simplistic judgement without willingness to pull apart or confront uncomfortable ideas that may threaten orthodoxy; most antifascist thought.

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          Tbh, I do agree with him that we shouldn’t dehumanize. Fascists are humans, who deserve to be put down. There. Easy. No dehumanization, and you can still say that they deserve bullets blowing their brains out the back their heads.