• outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.

    They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.

    • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 days ago

      By dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.

      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        No, people who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.

        • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          1 day ago

          That’s the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It’s also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.

          I think very little of them, I’m disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I’ve got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don’t, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you’re not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won’t dehumanize others.

          • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            21 hours ago

            No matter who it is, people need to realize who are defending themselves and who are going out of their way to commit offenses. When it comes to politics, people conveniently forget bad people DO exist, on all sides.

            It DOES NOT MATTER what is currently going on in the world. It DOES NOT MATTER if they claim to be humans. It DOES NOT MATTER if you want to continue calling them humans.

            What you need to learn is… these are humans who willingly betray the humanity you claim to want to defend… yet you continue to defend them, all in the name of some childish idea of “justice”.

            I agree things should be done legally where possible. What you need to learn is the law is not good! It doesn’t create justice. It doesn’t create peace. They’re just rules people are supposed to follow, good or bad.

            What DOES matter, is people like you constantly running interference for literally and directly evil people. Stop equating people defending themselves with people who want to commit the offenses. There is a HUGE difference between someone doing something bad to defend their own freedom, and someone who wants to go out of their way to remove someone else’s freedom.

            You can treat them as humanely as you want. What you NEED to learn is… they are enemies of the humanity you want to protect! Literally, directly, enemies of humanity. Why do you insist on equating them with people on defense?

            This is a topic about literal nazis, remember. Why do you equate people calling Nazis sub-human with nazis, when nazis are the ones who DIRECTLY AND WILLINGLY betray humanity? Why are you failing to defend humanity?

        • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 day ago

          The thing is, I’m not pleading for their respect. I won’t get it. I just won’t lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument “see, they are doing the same”.

          • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            5 hours ago

            Reflexive simplistic judgement without willingness to pull apart or confront uncomfortable ideas that may threaten orthodoxy; most antifascist thought.

          • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            21 hours ago

            If you do not understand the principles of defending the humanity you love from the people who want to destroy it, then you are WORSE THAN USELESS. These people are actively destroying society and the very “humanity” you want to preserve… yet you still won’t attack them??

            You are nothing but a useful idiot to fascists with that kind of pacifist attitude… Literally. You are talking down others from action against the things you want to defend from… You’re actively a turncoat against the humanity you want to defend. Seriously, pathetic.

            • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 day ago

              Who said I won’t attack them? Of course I would, and have. But within the law, without dehumanizing them.

              You call me pathetic, although I’m actively fighting against the far right, oppression and crimes against humanity.

              You, on the other hand, show you are just as bad as they are.

                • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 day ago

                  They’re not, but is that an excuse to be lawless too? If the enemy commits war crimes, how are you any better if you do the same?

                  • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    5 hours ago

                    You shouldn’t need an excuse to be lawless; laws are usually bad, and never good in cases where something else wouldn’t do the trick.

                    They’re a tool for the powerful to save face and appropriate progressive efforts when on the defensive, to divide us and keep us complacent when they’re on the offensive. They are the shield and sword of injustice. Not a fan.

                    Your conscience, fine. But laws? That is, at best; clown shit.

                  • baines@lemmy.cafe
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    21 hours ago

                    oh but history shows they were

                    we don’t have to guess how this plays out, educate yourself

                    ‘better’ is for the strong and civilized, we are not strong in this mess and civil went out with Jan 6th

                    they’ve broken the social contract, they no longer deserve its protection

                    but it’s moot, this will go the same way it did in Germany