Have you seen The Boys? There’s an actual fan club of Homelander. The series creators are trying to cut it down because it’s the exact opposite of the message they try to bring. Vilans are people’s new heroes now. Like Trump and Musk for example.
People are stupid
Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.
They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.
By dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.
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That’s the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It’s also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.
I think very little of them, I’m disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I’ve got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don’t, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you’re not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won’t dehumanize others.
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Whether they deserve it or not, I won’t dehumanize them; because I don’t want to become someone who dehumanizes others.
I will certainly fight them, I will resist them, but I will not consider them anything but human.
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Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.
Keep pleading for their respect when they have a gun to the back of your head. I’m sure that will work.
The thing is, I’m not pleading for their respect. I won’t get it. I just won’t lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument “see, they are doing the same”.
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Who said I won’t attack them? Of course I would, and have. But within the law, without dehumanizing them.
You call me pathetic, although I’m actively fighting against the far right, oppression and crimes against humanity.
You, on the other hand, show you are just as bad as they are.
Reflexive simplistic judgement without willingness to pull apart or confront uncomfortable ideas that may threaten orthodoxy; most antifascist thought.
Tbh, I do agree with him that we shouldn’t dehumanize. Fascists are humans, who deserve to be put down. There. Easy. No dehumanization, and you can still say that they deserve bullets blowing their brains out the back their heads.
The Boys is great because it explores how horrific a world like that would be, and how close that world is to ours.
Thankfully I’ve not seen people fawning over Home Lander. I see people say they exist, but I do wonder if that’s drive-by people mistaking fandom of the show for fandom of Homelander.
The guy is a forever child whose insecurity makes him a monster. You’re shown how all his “romantic” relationships are about him being mothered. He literally keeps breast milk in his fridge. He’s an infant given god like powers. There is nothing inspirational about him.
He’s a great villain though.
I love his character, the actor really does a great job. But he’s super evil. He’s a great representation to the real world, as many people think there’s no collateral damage too great to justify reaching their goal. Dehumanizing others, committing war crimes, hunger for power, forcing their beliefs onto others. I despise people like that.
But there are people who think otherwise: See this
I guess I wasn’t trying to say there’s absolutely no-one that idolises homelander. Some people watch Star Wars and want Darth Vader to win. There’s not many of them, and social media tends to amplify the “edge lord” opinions.
Just that I thought sometimes pearl-clutchers can see people enjoying something that contains horrific aspects and interpret it as meaning those people support horrific things.
I think there’s a pretty big difference between someone rooting for the dark space wizard against the light space wizards in a story set in outer space, vs taking the side of a psychopathic superman in a show that’s literally about calling out fascist chuds and male power fantasies, in a world that is meant to directly mirror our own.
Scifi and fantasy also try to mirror the real world. In star wars, the whole story about the empire and the rebellion is basically the story of any great Empire in history. It becomes too big, crooked people take over, it becomes corrupt, it becomes too restricted, too evil to keep power, rebels will fight against oppression and the empire will fall. With a new government filling the vacume, and the whole story starts over again. Heroes become villains. Good guys become bad. They all have their reasons, they all have twisted justifications for their actions. Whatever filter is used, it’s mirroring society. Whether it’s space scifi, fantasy or super heroes.
I’m well aware of the obvious parallels to the real world in Star Wars. The Boys is an accurate reflection of our real world, and how “supers” would behave in an unregulated, ultra-capitalist society.
You can like Darth Vader for looking badass and having a red light saber, without being a fascist. You can’t really say the same for people who actually like Homelander and think he’s a good guy.
I like Homelander because he’s so fucked up, so sick and twisted, such a well written roll and perfectly performed. But I like dystopian worlds, as entertainment. I like Gaspar Noé movies. But I can’t say Homelander is a good guy, no. Just pure evil.
But it’s the same with Darth Vader. Who would think he’s a good guy? You can like him for being cool and evil, but saying he’s the good guy is the same as saying Homelander is a good guy, isn’t it?
Is he doing a great job? I thought he was just portraying himself.
Nah for real, if he’s not a psychopath in real life, he must be a tremendous actor.
Anthony Starr is knocking it out of the park. Amazing performance.
homelander was based on trump, and they were obviously parodying Conservatives in the show.
The comics are from long before Trump. (2006-2012) Homelander is just what happens when you give a flawed person Superman powers. That’s the whole premise of the Boys. “What-if superhumans were real people with real flaws?”.
He’s the manifestation of “absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
This is who Superman was. A literal (illegal) alien saving humans and, despite his full ability to completely take over the world, trying to be a good human. People can’t seem to handle that.
Just reinforces my belief that if Jesus were to arrive today they’d throw him in a cage and then disappear him to a prison on foreign soil with no trial.
So basically exactly what the story said the romans did.
And yet we see ourselves as smarter than those who came before us.
The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.
If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn’t a pure-hearted hero, he’s a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Absolutely.
I know people can call superman boring, but to me what makes him even more amazing is that he has enough power to basically dominate everyone… But he doesn’t, he always chooses to do the right thing and tries to give people a second chance.
It’s part of the reason Zach Schneider’s Superman sucked balls, because they tried to make him some dark edge lord that literally kills in the first fucking movie.
Supes is the last hero that remains as some sort of beacon of hope and fairness, which naturally goes against the fascist mindset.
A red hatter cannot comprehend having power and not using it to subjugate or enforce your will. It simply does not compute in their lead infested brains.
I think it’s a challenge to make superman interesting because he’s both so powerful and so good. That’s why, when I read / watch DC stuff, I like it when he’s a side character, not the main character. I think Captain America is the Marvel universe’s equivalent of Superman in terms of personality / attitude. But, he doesn’t have anywhere near Superman’s power, which is why it’s easier to write interesting stories with him.
You’re completely right that that’s the mindblowing part of Superman – that he has all this power, but he doesn’t use it to reshape the world. Instead, he saves people from dying, whenever he can. And, he stops people from hurting other people.
I think a lot of the conservative mindset is that there are people who are supposed to be at the top, and people who are supposed to be at the bottom. If you’re at the top, it’s because you deserve to be there. If you deserve to be there, you have the right to impose your will on the people below you. Superman is undeniably at the top in terms of power, but he refuses to wield his power. That doesn’t make sense if your world view is that might is right.
Batman is just a rich guy playing edgy superhero. In batman the villians are the stars.
Batman is a lunatic occasionally playing rich playboy to finance his crusade against crime, born from untreated trauma.
And most of his villains are just as insane as him.
Gotham is basically a vicious circle of maniacs driving each other further insane.
Peak human and “the greatest detective” of all time. Also with prep, basically unbeatable. Rich guy comes in with the gadgets and cave.
The best superpower is plot armor and Batman has so much he can fight people that move faster than light.
Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero
Oh yeah, no flaws, no notes
It’s for the greater good.
The greater good!
The greater good!
The guy on the fence
has a little kryptonite on his backis a nazi so he deserves it
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Right, the main complaint is that he’s so perfect it’s boring.
And also that he has a pretty Western/USA centric sense of morality, which you think Western chauvinists like conservatives would eat right up.
Well, except he’s a journalist and an immigrant and he fought against the kkk.
Personally i like stories where he strugless more with how yo use his powers without becoming a despot.
Its so intresting tought experiment how much some one who is basically a god should intervine before it is too much.
At what point enforcing law becomes tyranny.
The biggest super hero fan I know said that he doesn’t like Superman. Confused by this I asked him why, and he had a pretty good point.
His reason was that, Superman generally isn’t physically challenged. In most cases the only issue he faces is trying to figure out what is going on. After that, Superman wins every time. The only exception is with kryptonite. His literal only weakness.
So all plot lines boil down to a mystery, followed by some flashy scenes of Superman going Superman stuff, the end; with the only real exception being “bad guys have kryptonite”. It’s boring.
And you know what? He makes a good point.
None of this goes against anything you say, it’s just one person’s opinion (not even mine). The only reason I’m posting this is to say, it’s possible to dislike Superman content, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t imply someone is anti-Superman.
Food for thought.
It’s probably the main reason that there are games about pretty much every superhero going, but Superman always gets skipped. Superman 64 is the classic example, due to how dire it was. There’s been a few attempts since then, but nothing popular and the last was about 20 years ago.
The only real threat to Superman is to attack the things he cares about.
I kind of like the subversion of Superman type characters, like Dr Manhattan (what if Superman was indifferent?) or Homelander (what if Superman was a cunt?)
I forget the title but there was a Superman game on original Xbox that gave Metropolis a health bar, Not Superman.
Beating up bad guys, stopping disasters and completing missions helped the city survive. Getting hit meant a few seconds where you were inactive and the city might take more damage.
It was a pretty inspired idea honestly. I don’t think the game was excellent but good design choice.
Theater was the Superman Returns movie tie-in. The game wasn’t good, but the health system for the city was a neat idea, and the flying was AMAZING.
There’s never been a bad game with an element I enjoyed so much as Superman Returns and the flying.
This is not normal. It’s ok to have things like a right wing and a left wing, a conservative side and a liberal side, so to speak. But it’s not ok for the right wing to be any further right than, say, Bernie Sanders.
The only problem I have with this is that it’s fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don’t even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I’m asking because this isn’t fiction.
It would be pretty ironic if it was considering he socked Hitler in the jaw all those times
I mean, dirty cops love the Punisher, even though he’s canonically killed quite a few of them.
Hes canonically also said he hates cops that worship him because they are supposed to be the vanguard of law and order, not murderers. I think he then went on to kill those cops, to really just nail the whole point home.
Surprise surprise, it didn’t take.
And iirc hates it when cops use his image, as he only need to exist because cops are not upholding justice.
He has outlined this explicitly multiple times in every appearance he’s ever made in anything. It takes a dangerously fucking stupid individual to use him as a symbol for police or justice. The creator of The Punisher has even outlined this in real life too many times to mention.
At this point, my best guess is these guys just don’t actually read any Punisher material.
Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
Feels like they’re arguing with themselves and begging for attention most of the time. It wouldn’t be a problem if corpo bitches didn’t listen to them.
If only they were arguing with themselves. The problem is everyone else who picks a side, and then jumps in arse first with a lot of opinions and very little information that isnt just headlines and buzzwords. People are so fucking angry all the time. And they blame the “other side” for it, not once considering that for every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter turning the screw just as hard in order to get likes, shares and subscribes.
Only the time of the online influencer became a thing, we were all fucked. Covid just accelerated to ludicrous speed, and now dark helmet is up all our asses.
Are you really comparing online influencers to actual governmental powers literally stripping our rights and caging people for having the wrong skin color in the name of theocratic fascism while supporting a literal “religious” genocide?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Who is doing that? Let me guess, the algorithm…
But no, I wasnt doing that. But its all part of the same problem. The culture wars. What youre seeing is the result of all of you running in to it blind as fuck. Thinking everything you see is truth, and everything they say is a lie. And they do the same with you. And theres always a really good reason.
Trump might be a cunt, but that doesnt mean theres not an army of influencers out there generating content to feed your outrage. I mean, look at say The Critical Drinker. Hes one dude, who reviews movies. Pushes the right wing side of things. Right? Not search the name on youtube, and youll find so many people chatting shit about what he said and did, just to get you to click and watch. And thats just one example.
If it demands a click, a like, a share, a subscribe, its content. Not fact. Treat it as such.
Meth is a helluva drug, eh?
Conservative culture creates whiney little bitch-made motherfuckers that have no meaning in their lives beyond clinging to imaginary grievances. The state of the world would be marginally better if we all learned to stop giving them attention.
Because “woke”/liberal/left/PC mob/etc arent the exact same thing just coming from the other side? For every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter do the same thing. Winding everyone up.
Somebody felt a little called out, huh?
Called out for what? Not a being someone so balls deep in the culture that I can I tell when the fucking algorithm is trying to get me to have really strong opinions about books I never read, movies I never watched, and games I never played? Unlike all you people, who think all this shit is just so fucking important that you think its ok to dehumanise a group of human beings. They do it, you do it. And you all make excuses for it. Hard fucking pass on being one of you lot, with hate so ingrained into your fucking soul.
Someone is really feeling the soapbox tonight
Both sides are not the same dingus
Funny, “they” same the same thing. Youre all balls deep in this shit, and dont even want to fucking see it. Youd rather attack anyone who brings it up. Because god fucking forbid, you actually take responsibility abusers you have ALL become.
Name a few.
One side is actively building a fascist state. The other is not. Sit down.
Sit down/shut up… spoken like a true fascist. I mean, you all could have had Bernie in 2016, and the world would never know what a Trump presidency looks like. I wonder what happened there… In 2020, you could had any one of the over a dozen democratic nominees who had a free health care plan for the US. But you ended up with ONE old as fuck dude who wasnt interested in it. I wonder why… And then in 2024, instead of keeping on going with the clearly far too fucking old dude, or binning him much earlier, he got kicked out, and some chick that was so not good enough that her healthcare plan was actually laughed at. And then just last December, when AOC was nailed on for a committee seat, that same fucking ghoul, came out of the shadows to make sure that some old as fuck guy with fucking cancer, got the seat instead. Thats right, the party you think is so fucking amazing, choose a 75 year old man with cancer, over a 35 year old woman in her prime… I wonder fucking why…
You lot, youre so fucking blinded by the rot that tells you what to do and what to think, that you never consider that its the whole system thats fucked, and youre all just being pitted against each other so you dont notice.
Oh, and the 75 year old man with cancer? Dead. 4 fucking months he lasted, and guess who STILL doesnt have the committee seat…
You sit the fuck down, and open your fucking eyes. All of you.
why don’t you tell us how you really feel
How I really feel is that because of people like you, and every other culture war weirdo, is why we have Trump in the first place. You all got the America you deserve. Just a shame its other people paying the price for it. But Im sure you’ll be OK, youve got your worthless internet points…
Americans not understanding other countries exist, an exhibit:
its the billionaires(class war) + a little troll farm is keeping us distracted from the class war. with the help right wing talking heads and fox.
For fucks sake, mate. How can you be so right, and so fucking blind at the same time???
I saw no lies in their comment?
I never said they lied, I said they were right and blind blind at the same time.
How can you be such a stupid bumbling sycophantic fuck stick?
Two week old account, likely a bot
So if you dont agree with someone its a bot? Isnt it funny how people like you always go looking for the account so you attack the poster, instead of the post? Almost like hate is all you have. Which is real fucking sad, matey.
If thats what being normal is called these days, Ill wear that hat, cunty chops.
I can take a guess as to the hat you wear.
And what are they blind to (you know, the obvious question you were being asked)?
I guess your blind too, since Ive already answered that question multiple times. You must be the most simple of all the culture war weirdos.
Oh ok, then can you link that comment for me where you answer the question? Thx
Just verification that they know their views are despicable at some level, even if they refuse to admit it to themselves.
A not insignificant factor in breaking the early kkk was Superman beating the living shit out of dudes in robes for awhile. They’re just mad it worked twice.
and/or they looj at lex and worship him for all the wrong reasons.
Fellas, is it gay to value your loved ones and oppose violence?
Hella gay. Let’s go do crimes about it.
Real talk: Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
While I prefer to not get my political messaging from media productions, I’ll take what I can get. When was expressing good moral values determined to be a bad thing again? I forget.
When basic politeness started getting folks called out as “soy boys”.
As far as media productions go, Clark’s been consistently on the correct side of the social spectrum. Except for a few years during WW2.
Explain how punching Nazis while being a character specifically designed to steal “Superman” rhetoric from them is being on the wrong side.
In the early years of the war dude has an issue where he drags Hitler and Stalin before the League of Nations to stand trial from invading Poland.
The only thing I can think of was all the racism against the Japanese… Okay yeah that was bad but it was also segregation era America so that was the style at the time, you take what you can get.
Yeah, I should have specified I was referring to his “Slap A Jap” phase
Sad but not unexpected.
They literally pointed it out in the movie.
I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
That was the explicit messaging of the movie. The scene with Superman not understanding why some people might have an issue with him saving lives, to him convincing the other Heroes to throw realpolitik to the side to do the same, to Lex completely not understanding altruism. It wasn’t just wedged in. It’s was the whole point of the movie.
No, it wasn’t the whole point of the movie, it was a thinly veneered plot that mimicked and commented upon real-world events. The central themes of the film were about identity being defined by one’s choices and actions, rather than one’s genetics or parents’ wishes. Films that explicitly critique society are films like Brazil or The Manchurian Candidate, and I have no problem with them because they’re explicit in their purpose at being political commentary. Making a superhero movie that’s purpose is rebooting the DCEU and inserting a political message into it is not explicit at all.
God forbid Superman ever get involved in politics, like Smashing the KKK or warning kids about landmines.
And you can have more then one plot device in a movie. I’m actually tankful that the whole “defined by choices, not by birth” wasn’t the only plot line because I’ve seen that one countless times by now. “Kindness is punk” is a counter cultural idea by now and was refreshing to see.
So, a character who is meant to embody protecting peace, justice, and freedom for all for as long as he has existed is now too political for advocating peace, justice, and freedom for all?
How dare they impose their politics on such a blank and centrist slate.
No, I just don’t like political messaging in my superhero flicks. You’re misunderstanding my point (possibly intentionally, idk, it’s really not that complicated).
I understand your point, you just don’t understand how character writing works. Removing the politics of a character is bad writing that panders to bad taste.
No, you don’t understand my point, because you think I’m talking about Superman’s “politics.” I’m talking about James Gunn’s politics and him using Superman as a mouthpiece for them. Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about. He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good. Classic moral tropes that virtually everyone supports, because without context, they’re just ideals. When you contextualize them with modern, real-world events though, they become political messaging, and that’s what I don’t like in a superhero movie.
The fuck do you think Superman is doing in the comics?
I can see you’re running out of juice, so I won’t press you further. Have a good night.
Answer the fucking question.
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I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality.
What movies do you like that aren’t political? I’m curious.
The new Fantastic Four movie didn’t have any political messaging in it that I could discern.
conservatives like you are, what they are making fun of, because of ridiculous they take things.
I’m a liberal and a progressive, so that shows how poor a room-read you have. Come back when you have better grasp of things.
Gouge out your eyes then
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1: They can come and take it 2: Lol
Why does the new superman look like such an idiot? The uniform also looks kinda weird and like he’s wearing a red diaper over an I’ll fitting suite.
Bruh, Superman has always looked corny
Cavill’s one looked badass
