• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPM
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        3 days ago

        The amount of people like Mamdami who got used their local success to get voted higher and then achieved nothing of note because the system makes that impossible, is longer than the word count limit here. It is, in fact, proof that voting achieves nothing. 100 years of voting for the lesser evil, and you’ll at Trump and project 2025.

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          Uh, no, that’s ridiculous. It worked. You can’t use the fact that it didn’t work other times to negate the clear and present evidence that it can, in fact, work and did, in fact, work in this case.

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            It’s not ridiculous. It’s ridiculous to expect something different from the past 100 years of worldwide history.

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              We’ve been voting for lesser evil for 100 years because people don’t show up to vote. Mamdani showed that when people show up to the primaries, they get better candidates, and when they then show up to the general, those better candidates can win. Mamdani is something different than the past, and he got there by votes. It’s not ridiculous to believe in something you watched happen.

              The problem with your argument is that it’s unfalsifiable. When the lesser evil wins, you don’t see how much worse the greater evil would have been. What if just a few more left-leaning Floridians had voted in 2000 and Al Gore had won? You think climate change would be this bad? You think we would’ve gone into Iraq and Afghanistan? You think we would’ve gotten Trump and Project 2025? It’s a perfect example of your strategy directly leading to what we have today.

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                You do realize that they could just drop the pretence of democracy and install a dictator if they do not get their way right? The CIA has been evading congress oversight for years.

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                We’ve been voting for lesser evil for 100 years because people don’t show up to vote.

                I urge to look at the many many times people turned up to vote for socialist (and sometimes even marxist) candidates in many many countries,and ended up betrayed with the same old capitalism anyway. It’s just absolutely naive this time it will be different.

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                  What? I just gave you proof of how it’s different. Look at NYC.

                  Look at the menu meant times people made airplanes before the Wright Brothers and ended up betrayed by gravity and aerodynamics. It’s absolutely native to think nothing ever changes.

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                    People did different designs on the airplane! You keep doing the same thing and hoping it will work this time.