Brian Leeland, a 79-year-old Democratic voter in Detroit, had enough. Frustrated by the way the US media covers this febrile political era, from Donald Trump’s Washington to political campaigns across the country, he contacted the Guardian.

“Your decision to frame the race here as a simple progressive versus establishment choice is overly simplistic verging on lazy,” he wrote to this reporter, after our coverage of progressive Abdul El-Sayed’s campaign in the Democratic US Senate primary in Michigan. “As an electorate, we are not binary for the convenience of the media.”

His was a complaint I heard often as I traveled across the midwest to cover a host of contested Democratic primaries. So I called him up.

Leeland’s list of frustrations is long: grifters, liars, the two-party system, money influencing elections, the US’s standing in the world, the growing national debt and a fixation on cultural issues, not just the larger problems that plague the country.

  • Absurdly Stupid @lemmy.world
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    When will they will figure out bOtH pArTiEs are “The Establishment”? Don’t hold your breath!

    I vote, and you should, too. They are not the same. One party is “pro-LGBT” and the other is “pro-church” and they are bOtH pro-corporate, pro-billionaire, pro-war, anti-union and so on.

    The differences are the bait. The commonalities are the establishment.

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      No, THIS is the people you need to be fighting

      https://san.com/cc/why-super-pacs-with-gop-ties-are-donating-to-democratic-candidates/

      The super PAC Lead Left has donated more than $1 million to at least three Democratic congressional primaries, according to The New York Times, which reported that the donations were an attempt by Republicans to keep control of the House of Representatives

      “They’re going into Democratic primaries and literally trying to boost the most extreme candidates and oppose the Blue Dog-endorsed candidates that, if they win, are going to beat the Republicans in the general,” Gray told The Times.

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      Not everyone, that’s why establishment Democrats are fighting progressives in their own party harder than they are fighting Republicans. We need to vote in the progressives to actually represent us.

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        We need to stop even labeling them “progressive” or leftists, as is that is some kind of aberration from the norm. It needs to be the default. The establishment and the fascists are the weirdos who perpetuate evil.

        “Leftists” just sane, moral folks who want their elected officials to serve the people, for capital to be subordinated to the will of the workers. For the workers to be the ruling class.

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      “bOtH sIdEs” is only true for establishment Dems, and if you pay attention, progressives are gaining in power and prominence. DSA is not the only source, but it’s becoming a lightning rod.

      Show me ANY good Republicans. I’ll wait.

      The only hope for us is to support the actual progressives instead of lumping them in with the establishmen Democrats, because doing the latter is EXACTLY what the fascists want.

      So it’s like you’re mostly right but critically wrong when you write off both parties. And yes, voting is critical, but what is even MOR critical is supporting progressive candidates before the primaries and into the primaries and THEN in the general. Always vote, and when you vote, always take the better - or less shitty - option. That’s where “vote blue no longer who” comes into play - in the general election, an establishment Dem is still less shitty than a fascist Republican.

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        Do they still want to genocide people and prop up genocidal states? Then they ain’t good.

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        an establishment Dem is still less shitty than a fascist Republican.

        I would have agreed with you before Biden neglected to properly go after Trump for J6 for reasons I still don’t understand. The establishment Dems don’t take the threat of fascist Republicans seriously, and still want to compromise with them.

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          The president isn’t supposed to go after anyone. His DOJ is supposed to enforce the law, and they had indicted thousands of J6ers in what seemed to be the lead-up to The Big One, where charges are brought against the ringleaders. You can say they did this too slowly, but it was literally the biggest case the FBI had ever prosecuted. Spare us this both sides crap.

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        The problem is that, through the electoral system, the limit to progressiveness is social democracy. Social democracy in the context of a dying imperialist power cannot save the empire from collapse, nor can it establish socialism, because you cannot replace the material base of society within the boundaries of a state set up to reinforce and protect the material base of society. Revolution remains necessary for socialism.

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            That would be correct, heavily-regulated capitalism cannot work in the long-term for the same reasons capitalism in general cannot work in the long-term.

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                It really doesn’t. Scandinavian Social Democratic countries are seeing the same gradual decay in safety nets, because the imperialist system they depend on is gradually decaying. This is very predictable, however, because as capitalism goes on, and as its imperialist stage goes on, there are very understandable and gradual processes like the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. Capitalism cannot last forever, it systematically erodes its own basis. Imperialism as a stage in capitalism magnifies the problems with capitalism, temporarily reducing national-scale contradictions between workers and owners through safety nets while heightening contradictions on an international scale, between imperialist countries and the global south.