You are applying modernity to history, while that is perfectly fine when it comes to quite a bit you should always consider the context within you are speaking. For all the flaws of the founding of the US namely slavery on the front of things like voting rights and who actually led things it was and still in some ways (at least in theory if not in practice) an improvement on the British structure of the time, the continued existence of the House of Lords is a travesty against sanity hell even the fucken US Senate is better than that and the Senate needs to be burned to the ground.
I recently read “People’s History of the United States” and it paints a much grimmer picture of the early US. It didn’t take long for the alien and sedition acts to be written, despite the grand language about freedom. There’s also many, many, years of labor asking for more than dirt and being violently suppressed.
Yeah no it wasn’t particularly great from the start, I’m just of the opinion that it planted the seeds for better systems long term. Problem is that most of those seeds either can’t sprout till the Union is gone or are otherwise outside the US.
Also the movement from aristocracy to oligarchy was an improvement even if a lot of the benefits have become less noticeable with time what with the modern oligarchs trying to become new aristocrats. Point is the revolution did help to break certain power structures that were about a millennium old by that point.
You can believe the propaganda if you like. Just don’t come all confused as to why the wealthy call all the shots and abuse the shit out of Americans and everyone else in the world. Your point of view is why so many people are confused as to why we ended up this way. Were were completely corrupt from the beginning and used terrorism, violence, lies, etc to manipulate the people. The Sons of Liberty bombed, tortured, and murdered innocents in their quest to take over the country. You are simply naive, it is okay.
No, I’m aware that the founders were bastards I just consider them to have been mild improvements on the bastards they replaced. Also saying they used terrorism and violence during a revolution is like saying the Mojave is dry or that Ghengis Khan killed a lot of people, it’s kind of an expected effect of a revolution. Also I don’t take the accusation of terrorism seriously too Redneck for that shit since I knowy forebears were accused of terrorism when all they did was shoot a scab, thats just community service.
Also yeah I’m not pretend that any of the militia elements of the revolution werent morally dubious at best the Southern Rebels made ISIS look calm at times and the Minutemen were psychotic and took to scalping which is fine if it’s a commander or something but don’t do it to civilians even if they are a valid target since it’s distasteful.
They were genocidal monsters and were not in any way better. This is pure propaganda you have chosen to believe in order to protect your worldview. The fact that you view turning on your fellow Americans as righteous shows just how much trash your belief system is based on. When you are ready to take out the garbage let me know, until then have fun licking the boots of your oppressors.
Fellow Americans? What fellow Americans? I ain’t an American pissrag, I’m a Californian and will see this shithole of an empire burn and it’s rivers run red if given the opportunity, I wish to see DC burn once again. The fiction of a united American culture or traditions has done insurmountable damage to the peoples under that fucking flag, make no mistake I don’t like this hellhole.
But I will still defend the revolution if only cause it made the Saxons bleed. The revolutionaries weren’t righteous by any means, they simply had more potential and killed those I hate far far more. Their project has served its purpose and I’ll defend it’s initial existence even if it’s modern version deserves nothing by abject destruction. The most fertile soil is that which is made of ash.
You are applying modernity to history, while that is perfectly fine when it comes to quite a bit you should always consider the context within you are speaking. For all the flaws of the founding of the US namely slavery on the front of things like voting rights and who actually led things it was and still in some ways (at least in theory if not in practice) an improvement on the British structure of the time, the continued existence of the House of Lords is a travesty against sanity hell even the fucken US Senate is better than that and the Senate needs to be burned to the ground.
I recently read “People’s History of the United States” and it paints a much grimmer picture of the early US. It didn’t take long for the alien and sedition acts to be written, despite the grand language about freedom. There’s also many, many, years of labor asking for more than dirt and being violently suppressed.
Yeah no it wasn’t particularly great from the start, I’m just of the opinion that it planted the seeds for better systems long term. Problem is that most of those seeds either can’t sprout till the Union is gone or are otherwise outside the US.
Also the movement from aristocracy to oligarchy was an improvement even if a lot of the benefits have become less noticeable with time what with the modern oligarchs trying to become new aristocrats. Point is the revolution did help to break certain power structures that were about a millennium old by that point.
You can believe the propaganda if you like. Just don’t come all confused as to why the wealthy call all the shots and abuse the shit out of Americans and everyone else in the world. Your point of view is why so many people are confused as to why we ended up this way. Were were completely corrupt from the beginning and used terrorism, violence, lies, etc to manipulate the people. The Sons of Liberty bombed, tortured, and murdered innocents in their quest to take over the country. You are simply naive, it is okay.
No, I’m aware that the founders were bastards I just consider them to have been mild improvements on the bastards they replaced. Also saying they used terrorism and violence during a revolution is like saying the Mojave is dry or that Ghengis Khan killed a lot of people, it’s kind of an expected effect of a revolution. Also I don’t take the accusation of terrorism seriously too Redneck for that shit since I knowy forebears were accused of terrorism when all they did was shoot a scab, thats just community service.
Also yeah I’m not pretend that any of the militia elements of the revolution werent morally dubious at best the Southern Rebels made ISIS look calm at times and the Minutemen were psychotic and took to scalping which is fine if it’s a commander or something but don’t do it to civilians even if they are a valid target since it’s distasteful.
They were genocidal monsters and were not in any way better. This is pure propaganda you have chosen to believe in order to protect your worldview. The fact that you view turning on your fellow Americans as righteous shows just how much trash your belief system is based on. When you are ready to take out the garbage let me know, until then have fun licking the boots of your oppressors.
Fellow Americans? What fellow Americans? I ain’t an American pissrag, I’m a Californian and will see this shithole of an empire burn and it’s rivers run red if given the opportunity, I wish to see DC burn once again. The fiction of a united American culture or traditions has done insurmountable damage to the peoples under that fucking flag, make no mistake I don’t like this hellhole.
But I will still defend the revolution if only cause it made the Saxons bleed. The revolutionaries weren’t righteous by any means, they simply had more potential and killed those I hate far far more. Their project has served its purpose and I’ll defend it’s initial existence even if it’s modern version deserves nothing by abject destruction. The most fertile soil is that which is made of ash.