The 4B movement, which originated in South Korea, is described as a feminist movement against the patriarchy and has been gaining steam on social media in the United States after Trump's win. The hashtag has thousands of videos, but more have been created after the presidential election. The movement is centered around “four no’s,” which are no to dating men, getting married, having kids and having sex.
Your response was, “Won’t somebody think of the men!?”
False. I never said that. I never implored anyone to “think about the men”, or tried to leverage an intellectually bankrupt zero-sum argument like you did.
I said, “is no-one disturbed by the blatant hypocrisy?”
I don’t care about men being ignored. Society treats men as worthless unless they are providing something of value, so ignoring men is par for the course anyhow.
I just hate inequality and bigoted double standards.
most women involved with it will exit out of their fertility window - from age 15 to 35
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Shut the fuck up permanently you goddamned weirdo.
Ah, let me guess - you know nothing about human reproduction and basic biology, no?
Helpful hint: look up the term “geriatric pregnancy”. And look at the statistics of female fertility - without the aid of modern medicine - after 35. Spoiler: it drops off a cliff, and most women are functionally sterile by 40-45.
Stuff like this is covered in post-secondary biology classes at most any university. And it’s not even in the advanced classes - if memory serves, it was a second-year class where I came across this info.
Ah, the “sour grapes because I have nothing to counter with” argument.
Still, you did take the high(er) road, in that you did not descend to an ad hominem as so many ideologically blinkered people do when their core brainwashing is directly challenged with real-world evidence. For avoiding that, I must actually commend you. So pick up a textbook and bone up on facts, and you won’t be caught with your intellectual pants down again.
You can give birth even in your 50s safely. I know an OBGYN who specializes in senior pregnancies and had 2 herself that were totally fine. Most women are not sterile then, and even if that were true, 40-45 is a different window than 35 like you originally claimed. We have plenty of fertility treatments that can help with conception anyway.
advocating for men to separate themselves from women and society, which they believe has been corrupted by feminism
MGTOW isnt being an introvert, or ascetic, or a priest or monk. All those things are already socially allowed for men and are much similar to 4B. Feminism is equal rights for the sexes. Women are protesting their enslavement by toxic masculinity with 4B. Men are protesting their lack of control of women with MGTOW, because its a protest of feminism. Do you really truly think this is equivalent? Lol. Do you really need to play the vulnerable narcissist card here?
Have you ever seen Alien? That movie was about forced birth. Do you think a movement that expressly wants to force birth on women by fighting against their rights is the same morally as a movement that wants to stop forced birth on women?
I never denied that. However, pregnancies that had no modern medical involvement in its creation become very rare after the age of 40, and vanishingly rare after the age of 50.
I claimed that pregnancies after 35 are called “geriatric pregnancies”, and that is due to the risks that they bring. This is a medical term, used throughout the industry for pregnancies after the age of 35
And fertility begins to drop noticeably after 32, and really begins to plummet after 35.
If you’re going to be referencing a hate screed by misandrists - and yes, almost every sentence of the Wikipedia article is either a gross exaggeration, a deliberate mischaracterization, or an outrightght lie - then you are operating wholly in bad faith.
Have you ever seen Alien? That movie was about forced birth. Do you think a movement that expressly wants to force birth on women by fighting against their rights is the same morally as a movement that wants to stop forced birth on women?
And there is that outright mischaracterization, which is pretty much bordering on a lie, that I was expecting. Most MGTOW have no strong opinion against abortion, because a female exercising her right to abort can also release the man from a quarter century’s worth of unwilling financial enslavement. And many are fully in favour of abortion rights for both genders… which include paper abortions for men, which bring near-complete parity and equality of that right to both sexes.
Thanks for confirming exactly the type of person you are, it’s really helpful for people that want to be certain that they won’t lose anything of worth by blocking you.
False. I never said that. I never implored anyone to “think about the men”, or tried to leverage an intellectually bankrupt zero-sum argument like you did.
I said, “is no-one disturbed by the blatant hypocrisy?”
I don’t care about men being ignored. Society treats men as worthless unless they are providing something of value, so ignoring men is par for the course anyhow.
I just hate inequality and bigoted double standards.
Ah, let me guess - you know nothing about human reproduction and basic biology, no?
Helpful hint: look up the term “geriatric pregnancy”. And look at the statistics of female fertility - without the aid of modern medicine - after 35. Spoiler: it drops off a cliff, and most women are functionally sterile by 40-45.
Stuff like this is covered in post-secondary biology classes at most any university. And it’s not even in the advanced classes - if memory serves, it was a second-year class where I came across this info.
None of that merits a response.
Ah, the “sour grapes because I have nothing to counter with” argument.
Still, you did take the high(er) road, in that you did not descend to an ad hominem as so many ideologically blinkered people do when their core brainwashing is directly challenged with real-world evidence. For avoiding that, I must actually commend you. So pick up a textbook and bone up on facts, and you won’t be caught with your intellectual pants down again.
You can give birth even in your 50s safely. I know an OBGYN who specializes in senior pregnancies and had 2 herself that were totally fine. Most women are not sterile then, and even if that were true, 40-45 is a different window than 35 like you originally claimed. We have plenty of fertility treatments that can help with conception anyway.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way#%3A~%3Atext=9+External+links-%2CHistory%2C"MGTOW+Manifesto"+in+2001.
MGTOW isnt being an introvert, or ascetic, or a priest or monk. All those things are already socially allowed for men and are much similar to 4B. Feminism is equal rights for the sexes. Women are protesting their enslavement by toxic masculinity with 4B. Men are protesting their lack of control of women with MGTOW, because its a protest of feminism. Do you really truly think this is equivalent? Lol. Do you really need to play the vulnerable narcissist card here?
Have you ever seen Alien? That movie was about forced birth. Do you think a movement that expressly wants to force birth on women by fighting against their rights is the same morally as a movement that wants to stop forced birth on women?
I never denied that. However, pregnancies that had no modern medical involvement in its creation become very rare after the age of 40, and vanishingly rare after the age of 50.
To wit,
“The rate of decline accelerates around the age of 35 and the vast majority of women are essentially infertile by the time they reach 45,”
I claimed that pregnancies after 35 are called “geriatric pregnancies”, and that is due to the risks that they bring. This is a medical term, used throughout the industry for pregnancies after the age of 35
And fertility begins to drop noticeably after 32, and really begins to plummet after 35.
If you’re going to be referencing a hate screed by misandrists - and yes, almost every sentence of the Wikipedia article is either a gross exaggeration, a deliberate mischaracterization, or an outrightght lie - then you are operating wholly in bad faith.
It’s a female supremacist movement.
And there is that outright mischaracterization, which is pretty much bordering on a lie, that I was expecting. Most MGTOW have no strong opinion against abortion, because a female exercising her right to abort can also release the man from a quarter century’s worth of unwilling financial enslavement. And many are fully in favour of abortion rights for both genders… which include paper abortions for men, which bring near-complete parity and equality of that right to both sexes.
Thanks for confirming exactly the type of person you are, it’s really helpful for people that want to be certain that they won’t lose anything of worth by blocking you.