• PlaidBaron@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    I dont understand the logic though so please help me here. I have lived in the US and do have a good idea of how shitty things are (or were even back then). Things will not improve by inaction and are objectively getting worse. So yes, you risk a lot by acting but if you dont your life will continue to get worse and you’ll end up homeless anyway. Or worse.

    No one is coming to save you. You live in the most powerful country in the world. Nobody is going to come in and liberate you. Your only option is to save yourself.

    Nobody is claiming it will be easy, simple, or clean. But what other option is left? This is why the rest of us are baffled. Especially since the US has built up the reputation of having a rebellious spirit. Where is that spirit now?

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      21 hours ago

      I can make this simple: would you be the first to step in front of the firing squad when you have no idea if others will join you in rushing it?

      We are not a united people here.

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        This might be it, because you do pay change for the better with blood, the history is filled with it. The army is brought in, it goes overboard and they open fire on protesters, in every country everywhere throughout history, before people realise what’s happening.

        Good luck Americans, this seems to be your turn.

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        21 hours ago

        I know that. No one is saying you as an individual need to do this right now. We are saying you need to organize. I think this is a cultural misunderstanding.

        When I say ‘you’ I am not referring to an individual. Im referring to you as a people. Maybe that misunderstanding is evidence of the hyper individualism your country has subtly snuck into your lives that prevents you (again a collective you) from doing so.

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          21 hours ago

          What did you think I meant by, “we are not a united people”?

          You can’t organize peace with people who idealize a fascist society

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            21 hours ago

            You dont need everyone to mount a resistance. Why does it have to be all or nothing? And who said you had to organize peace with fascists?

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              21 hours ago

              You need enough, and we don’t even have that.

              Come live here for a while and then tell me how easy it is.

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                21 hours ago

                I have lived there. Ive been involved in community action during the first administration. If you believe its impossible, youve already lost.

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                  20 hours ago

                  I never said impossible. I was also involved in a lot of community action during Trump’s first admin.

                  See how far that got us?

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                  19 hours ago

                  So you could have stayed and fought… but you left and are now yelling from the sidelines.

                  I agree with a lot of your points, but it rings a bit disingenuous coming from someone who threw in the towel.

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                    18 hours ago

                    I moved back because my family is here. What the fuck are you on about? It had fuck all to do with Trump. I moved back during Biden. Are you seriously upset because I wanted to be with my family?

                    Stop being a cunt.

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      21 hours ago

      No one is coming to save you.

      Yeah, because they’re all too busy enacting fascism in their own country to do anything about the growing US threat except lick boots. Save us? Lmao you better be thinking about saving yourself once the consequences start rolling in.

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        19 hours ago

        Seriously. The global ultra rich are all working from the same basic playbook. It’s just happening here first due to the extreme concentration of wealth.

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          No, I meant this part:

          do anything about the growing US threat

          “No one is coming to save you” is such a petty, disgusting thing to say when the people you’re looking down on are being turned into the cogs of a machine that has the entire world in its sights. The world needs to save itself from us.