• medem@lemmy.wtf
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    1 day ago

    No need to argue. Caffeine is only bad for your health if you take insane amounts of it, and coffee itself has actual benefits, something you could literally never state about energy drinks. As for smoking vs. vaping, dunno.

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      1 day ago

      Is vitamin B really that bad for you? Or taurine?

      The caffeine is mostly what makes energy drinks unhealthy too. That and the sugar but white monster is sugar free so if you put shit in your coffee instead of drinking it properly (black and no sugar), I’d argue that coffee is just as bad for you as energy drinks.

      • despoticruin@anarchist.nexus
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        19 hours ago

        B6 can cause nerve damage long term. Taurine is just a part of bile, it is an amino acid that is in basically all meat. You aren’t going to get enough of it from energy drinks to swing the needle one way or the other. They also have sugar or sugar alcohols that can fuck with blood glucose in all kinds of fun ways. Coffee, on its own, is basically just caffeine and water, it is going to be healthier than most other drinks categorically.

      • iuminou@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        19 hours ago

        also aluminium cans = microplastics

        aluminium is not safe for storing wet acidic things such as drinks, so the inside is plastic-coated

        i wonder, which is worse: the microplastics, or the aluminium salts that would be the alternative problem?

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        Honestly been wondering that a lot. I drink coffee daily. I don’t feel like it’s killing me. Surely it’s not as bad as monster, but what if the amount I drink comes close to the same impact? Is receiving a daily dose of mental stimulants not supposed be part of a healthy diet? 🫠

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      1 day ago

      Vaping is turning out just as bad as smoking the more we learn of its long term consequences.

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          12 hours ago

          https://med.stanford.edu/visit/the-details/HealthEffects.html

          https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12628669/

          https://www.lung.org/blog/vaping-isnt-harmless

          https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/health-effects.html

          There is still a dearth of evidence compared to 100+ years we have for smoking tobacco but the more we learn the less it’s possible to ignore how it’s turning out. Remember for decades that tobacco companies white washed cigarette smoking and even tried to make it sound therapeutic.

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            Non-smoker current vapers had higher incident risk of respiratory symptoms (relative risk, RR=1.90; 95% CI: 1.28–2.83) but statistically non-significant risk of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) (RR=2.53; 95% CI: 0.96–6.67) compared to never users. They also had lower incident risk of respiratory symptoms compared to non-vaper current smokers (RR=0.75; 95% CI: 0.64–0.89) and dual users (dual use vs vaping, RR=1.26; 95% CI: 1.03–1.55).

            Do you guys ever read what you link or what? We consistently know that vaping is bad for respiratory health but better than smoking, it’s very well establishedat this point

            • Elting@piefed.social
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              3 hours ago

              And in another one of those links it explains that we really don’t know yet. It hasn’t been long enough to gather all the data. But please continue to cherry pick whatever supports your claim.

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            9 hours ago

            E-cigarettes may have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for all smoked tobacco products.

            This sentence in the last link that you included contractics the suggestion that vaping is just as bad as smoking.

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              7 hours ago

              I think there is also a specific use for cigarettes in that fashion, in any case cope harder. Vaping is bad for you.