Maybe find the middle ground? It is certainly a good reason to celebrate that republicans lost and Trump shuts up for once. It is also true that there are democrats that would just as well fit the republican party. But it is also sure as hell true that true progressives can only come out of democrats not republicans. So US should make it count, hold anti progressive, status quo democrats to account and root them out. Then it will become a flawless victory.
Policies are a spectrum. We do need to remain mindful of the similarities and the differences between red and blue. If there are overlapping similarities that we don’t like, we speak out, or not.
That’s what we said all the way. Vote blue, but don’t expect it to be magic pill. A truly democratic government is the one accountable to its people.
The election results should be a wake up call. People are ready for the change, and are pissed with the government in a very bad way.
It is a victory right here nonetheless. One of many coming forward, I hope.
That’s what we said all the way.
Yes, to your credit you probably said this, and a whole bunch of folks with you. But I’ve been in plenty of conversations with folks who outright deny that Biden is fully complicit in the Gaza genocide, or even worse, acknowledge this but then go “no biggie!”
We’ve seen Obama drone kill kids at weddings in Pakistan. We have seen this circus before.
You saw it? Did he pilot the drone? Did he purposefully aim at the wedding? Did he target children?
Yes! Found one!
NO PWEASE DON’T BRING UP THE WAR CRIMES I HAVE NO TRUE MORAL GROUND TO ARGUE AGAINST IT PWEASE.
Here! Found another!
You either get Blue Peter Theil puppet or Red Peter Theil Puppet. The Money Behind Hakeem Jeffries
I’ll believe in blue wave when the American empire contracts, it recalls its military, closes the global bases and releases everyone from their gulag supermaxxes
or even enforces its own laws consistently
I do feel like we’ve been here before though, when Obama and HOPE won so hard that there’d never be a Republican POTUS again, and then he conducted imperial BAU for eight years.
And we’ll be here again, because people are morons that don’t learn from their mistakes.
I have seen almost non-stop celebration today, acting as if Trump was done, Fascism was over, White Supremacy was gone, and that all has returned to right and good in the world.
These elected officials arent even sworn in yet. and wont be sworn in… till january, and idiots are celebrating like jobs done don’t have to worry about it anymore.
We have a handful of new democrats elected. We have a ton of old democrats that have no compunctions about siding with Republicans and letting Republican shit go through in exchange for that AIPAC/Big Business money. Just cause a lot of the seating chart is blue doesnt mean blue business will be done, nor does it mean red business will be stopped.
This shit isnt the fuck over. The shit is only just about to begin to get started.
2 things about Obama.
- He had no idea what he was doing. He was chosen because he had no experience and would not expect to know how to rock the boat much less try. He was also naive and thought other people could be trusted to at least not hurt themselves in their attempts to hurt everyone else.
- He only had a Democratic majority for just a handful of months. Bullshit lawsuits kept him from having the majority that had been voted in for almost a year. When he finally got a majority he got the ACA passed, but even then he didn’t have enough of a majority to push it through without watering it down to near useless.
I think most of us were pretty disappointed that Obama didn’t do more, but looking back, it was pretty clear that he was only brought in as the janitor to clean up after the previous cluster fuck.
I think most of us were pretty disappointed that Obama didn’t do more
The president is the head of the executive branch, not of the legislation. It’s not his job to change the law. That’s already the first layer of deception.
it was pretty clear that he was only brought in as the janitor to clean up after the previous cluster fuck.
Thats the job expected of every democrat president.
Obama did exactly what he was supposed to. Capture a popular social movement and prevent it from actually accomplishing anything.
Its why Democrats exist.
Don’t know why you are being down voted, this is 100% accurate
Because only a complete moron would say the ACA did nothing.
Is it great? No but it’s so, so much better than what existed before. It literally has saved many lives and if not for that shitstain Lieberman could’ve gone further.
Maybe everyone here is too young to realize how awful healthcare was before that.
Criticize sure but people sound like idiots when they downtalk a huge piece of legislation that actually improved things a lot, even if not obviously being the best solution.
The mind of a liberal everyone
Jeez-uzz. Majick wands are in short supply. What do you expect? This shitshow has been running for several seasons. Subterfuge, chicanery and (most of all) politics have been involved in politics from day one. Life has evolved to be increasingly more dog-eat-dog in all aspects. Perhaps we can hope we’re at the peak of a cycle?
what a cheerful outlook.
he was only brought in as the janitor to clean up after the previous cluster fuck.
oh I also thought it would be convenient to have him in office if the second great depression came through, so they could just blame the black guy.
Dems won, that’s good. They have control of the senate which they haven’t had for a while.
So here’s my damper, there was anti-trans legislation passed in blue states and there was an increasing rise of anti-trans rhetoric within the Democrat candidates. I do not want the establishment Dems and their think tanks to get the take away that they won by throwing trans people under the bus.
I’m still going to be critical of Dems, they have a lot to prove and should be spending these next couple months in meetings on how they deal with the fact Trump will veto everything they do. They will have to find a way to circumvent that veto pen or persecute Trump to the fullest extent possible as well as his regime.
So here’s my damper, there was anti-trans legislation passed in blue states and there was an increasing rise of anti-trans rhetoric within the Democrat candidates.
WA state’s bullshit is going to die in the courts. I’m sickened that it passed; looking at the districts - king and two other counties rejected it… but the boondocks voted for it overwhelmingly. you can’t put that on the left, on establishment dems, when it’s the people in the sticks making it happen.
Here’s an article linked from an LGBT+ focused and friendly online publication. It’s not all relegated to just the reactionaries.
is there a link?
Now is the time for them to start laying the groundwork for actual changes…
- things like barring lobbying funds from politics (I know, it’s the Dems, they’d never do that)
- anything that claws back the government’s power and brings mega corps to heel (naïve, I know!)
The trump terms have demonstrated that there aren’t enough checks and balances because the GOP have demonstrated following the rulebook is optional. If we can’t rebuild democracy, we must harden it.
(I’m a kiwi with no skin in the game here, but now is the time to really start pushing, not celebrating)
I hate saying this but imma be honest with you. They absolutely won because they abandoned trans rights as a talking point. You have no idea how many peoples single issue with not voting democrats was gender affirming care. They hate it and will tell you in the same breath that circumcision is ok. The only reason so many republicans flipped was because of how bad the economy is performing.
I’m not saying to abandon trans rights but I think I speak for the majority when I say that running on policy that affects 1% of the population and angers 50% of the population is stupid. Instead of phrasing it to help trans people, we should focus on expanding healthcare access to ALL citizens. Not just trans people.
If the candidate can’t explain how trans Healthcare is part of Healthcare for all, especially women, then that is a skill issue. Al Sayed practically dog walked them on Fox News over this issue and won big
You and I both know it doesn’t matter what you say. All they have to hear is the word trans and they won’t vote for it.
If they aren’t able to hear past the words trans then they aren’t listening to the politician no matter what they say.
So a lot of anti trans would-be-red voters voted blue but still supported their gross views in supporting anti-trans stuff. That tracks.
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With the way they’re acting, you’d think that these dudes wanted Republicans to maintain control. Like, I don’t have a lot of faith in democrats to actually get the shit done that they need to, but the defeatism is absolutely absurd.
They probably wanted progressive wing to collapse before getting back in the seat. Now people have a reference point to compare them to and hopefully democrats that can’t live up to that will get rooted out instead.
With the way they’re acting, you’d think that these dudes wanted Republicans to maintain control.
Oh believe me, they do. I’ve literally been told how much more awful Democrats are than Republicans. IIRC, the reasoning behind that was some vague shit about liberals watering down true leftism or something. Like, yeah, one side wants to establish a fascist totalitarian government and has literally set out to murdering foreigners and dissenters with ICE, but hey, your identity politics are more important.
Immigrants and dissenters have always been murdered. And children and women.
I swear to god the double trauma of COVID and Trump during formative periods of some peoples’ lives made it pathologically impossible for them to take a win for even a day or two. That’s how you burn the fuck out. Don’t rest on your laurels, but making people feel like nothing is ever enough is how you get them to stop showing up.
I see it a lot in organizing, like taking even a second to breathe is going to accidentally infect you with an airborne centrist virus.
And then the going gets rough and all the “We can rest after the revolution” types are burnt out so they start publicly infighting at the first disagreement because they’re tired and hopeless and miserable.
We have plenty of wins, built on the hard work of working class Americans door knocking, phone banking, canvassing, signature gathering, etc.
I’ve always been a fan of the color red. Imagine if (let me dream) the republican party falls and the DSA can take red as their color against the establishment dems’ blue. Fighting on the red side would feel good then!
Its much more likely that the DNC would assume the mantle of a fallen republican party, and change their color. They were always only pretend blue anyway.
Gonna need like 50 years to wash the stank off that color. Every time I see a red baseball cap I get alarmed and concerned about a very untrustworthy person I should avoid. Usually it’s just a sports team hat but it never fails to raise my blood pressure.
Mario cosplayers in shambles right now!
Haha somehow in that context it never crosses my mind
I bet Mario would be pro-union
Believe it or not, the colors were reversed or kinda random for a long time actually. Dems were red, GoP blue. Iirc, that didn’t shift until 2000, lol.
As I remember it, the colors were more business pinstripe gray for the conservatives and blue for the democrats.
Would be more like the UK parties’ colors then.
IMO, you should have higher standards.
I mean Schumer and Jeffries are out there taking the “high” road again, so the first indication that positive change is coming would be those two fucking off to the other side of the sun.
You’d think that but have a look at hexbear’s midterms containment thread. The way they speak about it internally is different. They are very happy the Republicans lost, they jsut don’t care that it’s the democrats who won.
Hexbear is as toxic as 4chan I’ll pass looking at any of their shit.
I blocked the “Tankie Triad” so I don’t even see their fascist propaganda. Because I experienced it on multiple instances, I literally can’t imagine using the Fediverse while still having see all their bad-faith shit…
I’m so glad my instance is defederated from them
The way they speak about it internally is different.
So, are they lying to us, or are they lying to each other?
Neither, people read everything through hermeneutics of suspicion or innocence and pre-judge accordingly.
For anyone who doesn’t know what hermeneutics is, it’s when you read things through the eyes of this guy:
That’s hermaneutics you heretic! Or hermanneutics if you’re trying to hide from Gloria Vanderbilt.
As “one of those people” you are talking about, we’ve been here before. Yes, it feels awesome to get such a decisive victory over the republicans. I’ve seen this before. Over and over again. The pendulum has swung back to the left. But, just because we voted in a bunch of Dems, hell even a bunch of Socialists, that doesn’t mean they will, or even can, fix the most broken parts of this system. Democrats have enabled and even facilitated some of the worst aspects of what we’re seeing right now from Trump and Republicans. I mean, you yourself even admit it: “I don’t have a lot of faith in democrats to actually get the shit done that they need to”.
The difference is, we know what needs to be done. A really famous guy wrote about it over a 100 years ago. Having Blue majority didn’t improve anybody’s material conditions in the past. Why would it now? Yes, they’re “less bad”, but Dems are still pretty bad. What makes this time different?
I love the outcome of the election. It was a bloodbath. But I’m not deluding myself that wholesale change will ever come from national electeds. Defeatist? Maybe. I’m just tempering my expectations, even from DSA endorsed winners.
this post sums it up best imo. Prove me wrong. Prove all of us MLs and “tAnKiEs” wrong. Prove to us that voting can and does work, that we can materially improve people’s situations without protest.
Don’t get me wrong, I see what you’re saying and I generally agree with your leftist sentiments.
That said, you are incorrect that the Democrats have been totally unsuccessful in improving material conditions for people. I’m with you that it hasn’t nearly been far enough, but they did accomplish significant things for women and black people.
JFK passed the equal pay act. LBJ passed the civil rights act. Clinton passed the violence against women act. These things had an effect that was tangible, even if we need more.
In Texas, my grandmother wasn’t able to have her own bank account without my grandfather signing a permission note until John Connally, a Democrat, passed the Marital Property Act of 1967. My mother never had that problem because a Democrat changed the conditions for women in this country.
Do I want a true left to rise in the United States? Yes. Do I think the Democrats have any hope of fixing capitalism? No. BUT, this victory is sweet, and I’ll be raising a glass to the Democrats today anyway.
JFK passed the equal pay act. LBJ passed the civil rights act.
You’re skipping why those passed when they did. Postwar US was in a red scare, Communism spreading across Europe, fear of uprisings at home, and that fear forced progressive concessions. The one era of capitalism people romanticize is that one, and it was shaped by fear of Communism plus massive grassroots working-class movements. JFK and LBJ didn’t pass those laws out of kindness. Cities were burning, people were organizing at rates this country had never seen, demanding better material conditions.
Clinton passed the violence against women act
This law was very limited and a classic neolib policy. It did not, in fact, dismantle any systems of oppression. It was another concession to the feminist “radicals” of the era.
In Texas, my grandmother wasn’t able to have her own bank account without my grandfather signing a permission note until John Connally, a Democrat, passed the Marital Property Act of 1967. My mother never had that problem because a Democrat changed the conditions for women in this country.
Democrats didn’t do this though. That’s my whole point. Sure they may have signed the law, but the pressure and the framing came from socialists and activists, through fear of revolution, strikes, boycotts. Yours is a standard liberal talking point, and it whitewashes history and erases the struggle that was actually fought for.
Do I want a true left to rise in the United States? Yes. Do I think the Democrats have any hope of fixing capitalism? No. BUT, this victory is sweet, and I’ll be raising a glass to the Democrats today anyway.
On this we agree. Victory was sweet yesterday. I’m mostly celebrating. But we need to continue to organize and fight for what we want. Capitalists and billionaire oligarchs will not just give us what we want out of the kindness of their hearts. That’s simply not how any of this works. Don’t become a “If Harris won we’d be at brunch” kind of person.
Respectfully, stand down, comrade! I’m on your side and not becoming a Kamala brunch enthusiast. I appreciate your opinions on history and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
The fight definitely continues, but a little win feels nice. I can go back to my usual full on class warfare in the morning.
I’m more just shouting at clouds than at you specifically. Cheers! 🥃
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that we can materially improve people’s situations without protest.
Who said anything about without protest?
As always, voting is one of several strategies we must pursue at once … and it’s not even the most important one.
The pendulum has swung back to the left
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All the tankies I’ve talked to seem to be fully in favor of accelerationism – just wanting whatever will cause the most damage to the US the fastest. So, yeah – they were absolutely rooting for the Republicans.
I am hoping that the accelerationism this country needed was a cultural one rather than a violent one – that the conservatives showed so much ugly to the world that the American people pushed the Overton window a bit away from conservatism and will continue to reject that whole world of bullshit in the future.
It can’t just be the gas prices, right?
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK
This is why I always advocate for replacing First-past-the-post voting with a voting system that gives 3rd parties the freedom to run for election without a spoiler effect. But I guess blue maga thinks the democratic party is more important then the United States of America.
I guess blue maga thinks the democratic party is more important then the United States of America.
When it comes to the party leadership and many politicians, absolutely.
I think ordinary people who are registered democrats and “vote blue no matter who” types are much more receptive to the idea of a sensible voting system. Ranked choice has the name recognition, but there are better systems like STAR.
Even here on Lemmy, we have plenty of debates/arguments of “vote blue because of harm reduction and (first past the post + game theory)” versus “vote for the candidate that matches your ideals even if they aren’t one of the two that has a chance of winning.” What I do not recall seeing, however, are debates about how first-past-the-post is actually the superior voting system because of reasons XYZ.
Any “arguments” in favor that I can think of are typical conservative bad faith bullshit talking points. The people do not favor it, except probably for a big chunk that gets their information about the world from the talking heads’ conservative bad faith bullshit talking points.
It can’t just be the gas prices, right?
I’ve been highly disappointed by the American voters before, and I expect I will be again.
But, yeah. I’d wager that a simple fuel price graph could predict the outcome of the next several elections. If it’s high, people will vote out whoever is currently in power.
No because we know fascists would take control. We want you to read theory, join PSL, do mutual aid and help build a vanguard.
If you have enough self-awareness to call yourself a tankie, you’re not a tankie.
Tankie is just anyone to the left of burning orphans for warmth. It’s also a nazi dogwhistle.
That’s tankie propaganda, which seems to be the whole reason for you creating your account.
Tankies are the violent authoritarian wing of socialists, who believe liberals, landlords, bankers, intellectuals, etc. should be put to death. Stalin, Mao, etc.
They’re kinda like fascists as far as loving violence and purging their undesirables except the boot is a different flavor:
“We will live in a utopia if you merely give us the power to kill everyone we dislike!”
Psychotic comment, what the actual fuck is wrong with you?
I don’t see how disliking tankies is psychotic, but you’re more than welcome to explain if you feel like it.
That’s the nazi propaganda being dogwhistled, yes.
No it isn’t. Facts that you don’t like aren’t automatically propaganda.
Want to try again?
I recognize that the group called tankies is the group of people that supports the DPRK, PRC, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba, and I support them, so I belong to the group called tankies. I’m self-aware of that, so don’t pretend my support for these countries isn’t going to get me called a tankie.
Yeah? Can you show us one?
Read the thread lmfao
I did. I see a bunch of .ml’s clearly and strongly saying that we don’t believe in accelerationism.
It would be difficult because I’ve already blocked them.
I’ll take that as a no, then.
The tankies want Trump to win because they think that after he’s destroyed the US, a socialist utopia will rise from the ashes.
A theocratic autocracy will rise from the ashes. Unless you kids have done more prep work that you let on, your not winning the war if it goes hot, and the crazies with stockpiles and organization in place have the advantage over unprepared forum users.
There will be several theocracies arising in various places. And they’ll all be at eternal holy war with each other.
At least some one will keep the ashes warm for us.
Not a single tankie believes in utopic socialism
Of course not. But it’s what they claim to believe in.
No?
You have a very warped view of what Socialists believe in.
Socialists believe in a real try at social equality. Tankies believe you must murder people or at least ignore large amounts of suffering to force it in one fell swoop.
Socialists are not tankies, and tankies are not socialists (despite often claiming otherwise).
“tankie” is pejorative term used by fascists and libs for Socialists and Communists. the people who use the term tankie unironically often denounce many or all existing Socialist states (Cuba, China, DPRK, etc) as “authoritarian”.
DPRK
Everybody should denounce the DPRK.
No it isn’t. It’s a pejorative term for fake leftists who do not have regard for human life even though that is supposed to be the only concern they have. Sure, it might get overused or incorrectly applied on this platform. But that’s because we’ve seen so many damn true tankies.
I’m talking specifically about tankies, you know that kind of people who worship the likes of Putin and Xi and root for Hamas and the Houthis.
“tankie” is pejorative term used by fascists and libs for Socialists and Communists. the people who use the term tankie unironically often denounce many or all existing Socialist states (Cuba, China, DPRK, etc) as “authoritarian”.
I repeat: You have a very warped view of what Socialists believe in.
Yeah. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Lmao show us anybody claiming any of this shit.
because they think that after he’s destroyed the US, a socialist utopia will rise from the ashes.
Not even that – they just want to clear the way for Russia/China to gain more power.
Tankies don’t want a socialist anything though
The problem here is a red fascist carrying water for free and someone paid to troll on behalf of black fascists look the same on the Internet.
No, nobody has said this, lmao.
I’ve seen a lot of hysteria around “tankies” since I started using Lemmy and I gotta say I really don’t get it. Yes, there are people here who are to the left of Democrats. No, that doesn’t make them the enemy, or secretly MAGA or Russian or whatever. They just… disagree with liberals. I see opinions attributed to “everyone from a .ml community” that I’ve never seen from any of the actual users. People gleefully brag about blocking swaths of other users, yet I’ve almost never seen any .ml user actually being as toxic as they get branded. I’m pretty sure I’ve even heard people say that you are a particularly bad one, but I haven’t witnessed it.
Also, lemmy was created by ml’s right? It’s one thing to have very little tolerance for different political opinions, but it’s another thing entirely to literally just be the gray characters from this meme and still somehow think you’re in the right.
People should run their lemmy instance as they want.
The non stop feudposting about what people do in their own instance is ridiculous. Block the instance and move on with your life if you need to. Block me to while youre at it! Who cares?
It seems there is some other agenda at play with those who are on this dumb ass crusade against .ml
I think people generally think of themselves as progressive when they come here, and it might be their first run-in with revolutionary socialists. They get caught between their progressive beliefs, largely around the Bernie/AOC area, and this suddenly new group (to them) of people that despise reformism and the Democrats almost as much as the Republicans. It creates a lot of friction, IMO. And yea, Lemmy was and is made by MLs, which means we have a permanent foothold here.
Have you tried browsing hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml? Lemmy.ml has its own vibe because we don’t really defederate from anyone, but Lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net are pretty good examples of what “tankies” are like when we aren’t getting into constant squabbles with liberals. You’ll see tons of queer people, a lot of passionate people, and a lot of normalcy, to be honest.
I like hexbears cute pictures, even if they dont like me. lol
This is very incorrect.
I’m not going to lie, as an outsider this always seems to be the case. Could you explain what you actually want and what you could see realistically happening if the fascists won?
Could you explain what you actually want
Simply put: I don’t want billionaires controlling every single aspect of society, as they do now.
If you’d like to read more, I agree with all of this.. I also agree with all of this.
what you could see realistically happening if the fascists won?
Arguably, and I would, the fascists are already in control. Just think of the tech enshittification at the hands of technofascists. Think of the endless wars; how much say in those wars do you truly believe you have? Think of the military budget outspending every single other country combined. We are the most powerful and richest country in the history of this planet … and 50% of americans can’t afford a 1 bedroom apartment. Americans can’t afford groceries. Real wages have been stuck in the 1970s. We are bankrupting ourselves with medical and student debt. Nobody can afford a house. Kids still in cages, guantanamo bay still operating, ICE record funding every year,
How much say do you have at your job? Unions are being squashed and suppressed. Have you attended a pro-gaza rally lately? How did the police treat you?
…I want a better world in which the 99% actually have a say, actually have a better life, and we don’t have 1% of people hoarding all the power and wealth of the world. This IS possible.
Not who you asked, but I want socialism, which requires revolution, which itself requires a mass working class revolutionary party, a militant and class conscious working class, and instability within the capitalist class. The first two are directly actionable through joining socialist orgs like PSL and doing large amounts of outreach, agitation, etc. The latter is out of our control, no matter if the Democrats or Republicans win in elections, and is more a matter of course as capitalism decays.
Fascism isn’t something that can be elected. Fascism is when the capitalist class oversteps the legal boundaries and restricts the civil rights of the country, when bourgeois democracy is replaced with outright direct rule by capital. Republicans winning or losing does not actually increase or decrease the chance of fascism, because fascism is a response to economic conditions and rising socialist organizing outside of the legal system.
This is important, because it means Democrats winning does not stop fascism. Fascism is out of the control of the working class, and can only be prevented by socialism, and stopped once in action by fighting it directly. In either case, mass socialist organizing is both the vaccine and the cure for fascism, depending on the timeline.
I have seen that sentiment directly expressed many times and I’ve seen it implied many times. Still see it despite blocking the shit out of sources of those kinds of opinions. Just today someone said to me “if you don’t think it should be burned down now, what would it take?”
I’m old enough to remember Blue Waves hitting the rocks of Decorum and Civility and doing fuck all. I’m not getting my hopes up ever again.
And you’re gonna try your best to pass that feeling on
U mad?
BLue mAgA
If I keep these thoughts inside they’ll take me to the grippy sock hotel.
Plus you know me. You know this isn’t my best. I’m sorry to disappoint but I’ve been dealing with the bullshit that happens no matter who got elected.
🫂
Do I know you? I’ve seen you make reasonable comments and then today multiple doomer ones. I don’t think I know you, but I do think you seem somewhat open to feedback even if you do make excuses.
I make doomer comments all the time
Noted.
They’ll tell you that they do. I’ve had some tell me that electoralism won’t bring about socialism and things have to get way worse before the people revolt.
Accelerationism is imo the left wing equivalent of the american conservative-christian death cult.
Yeah accelerationism is bad mmmkay
Yes that is my opinion what are you implying?
I was agreeing
Cool cool. The ‘mmmkay’ threw me off ✌️
That’s true.
I mean, it’s true.
Doomer bullshit.
Things get better by making them better not making them worse with no plan to make it better again.
Leftists go like this
Step 1: Bring down the government
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Socialism!
We’ve laid out the plan multiple times. Doomed is thinking this is as good as it gets.
You have no plan.
I just laid it out for you. This smacks of privilege. “I got mine, FU!”
You haven’t laid out a plan though because you don’t have one.
electoralism won’t bring about socialism
Prove this wrong then. It’s never happened.
Why do you think this meme is applicable here? Calfpupa never said socialism never works, she said you can’t vote your way to it. If your point is that you’re happy with the neo-colonialism of northern Europe, yeah we know the liberal position.
Norway voted themselves into socialist policies. Then leftists say it’s not Socialism. But when you say it’s bad in a different argument, they are held up as an example of Socialism. If the voting continues as it has in the past it could become full socialism.
Fuck the Democratic establishment, especially Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. I don’t trust them any further than I can throw them.
But the voters are what’s giving me a little bit of hope for the future. The fact that so many solidly red states and districts could flip is seriously huge. It’s a sign that the winds of change are blowing in the right direction.
Just emailed my rep saying I don’t want her to support Jeffries.
My rep (Oakland, CA) is very active in the House and has many community events.
She is liberal.
Agreed both counts.
Fuck every Zionist supporter of Israel regardless of which side of the orchestrated divide they stand.
The only war worth fighting in the US is the class war.
The populace standing up is refreshing. The DSA and Dems who are pressuring MFA and abolishing Citizens United have my support.
My chickens laid 12 eggs, doesn’t mean I’m getting 12 chicks.
it means you need to check what’s going on with your superchicken.
Cloaca gigantism
Ok… I’m removing chicken farmer from my Tinder bio ☹️
Alright we’ve had numerous impassioned contributions from the community!
Which commenter would you nominate as the most deserving for the Hater of the Thread?
If I’m parsing this right… Good? Right after elections is like, the best possible time for critique. Didn’t want to say it yesterday, but fuck blue MAGA the two party system and the rachet effect. There’s no such thing as a good politician, and less bad isn’t enough. Voting is harm reduction, I’m glad we picked methadone over fent but am still looking to get clean.
From how much anger and vitriol liberals give all throughout the time I have been told there’s no point in time to criticize. A lot of shut up and take it lefty bullshit.
I’m just happy that we have more DSA members and progressives in congress. They’re still a smallish group, but I’m hoping that there may be enough of them to push truly progressive policy.
It also looks like Alaska kept its ranked-choice voting in a ballot initiative. I’m really hoping that we start to see that spread. There were also several independent candidates that did really well, which might be a sign that people are more willing to listen to 3rd parties. Fucking Chuck Schumer is already vaccilating about universal healthcare, and I’d really like for him to go get a nice swirly and then shut the fuck up.
he and hakeem, and the rest of the aipac dinos are trying to take credit for the wins, typical, and very gop-like.
I’m happy you’re happy, this seems like a perfectly reasonable and well-rounded take. It was fucked up they were trying to get rid of ranked choice again, it’s such a clear method of weakening “the establishment” whoever you think that is and the only way third parties will ever get a chance to be heard. “Fuck Chuck” is short, punchy, and rhymes, surprised it’s not a bumper sticker :p
Yup. Maybe give it a day after election ends, though. If nothing else, for the post-celebration hangovers to wear off :P (and for the Dems to do something wrong and/or fail to do something right with the positions they have been entrusted with)
EDIT: Apparently, it’s like the presidential and their proper term doesn’t actually begin until January. Although, one could still judge them on their rhetoric, I guess…
It’s a good time to critique the body of work of the current Congress.
For the new electorates it seems fair to wait until…they’ve actually taken office?
Why not just wait until they’ve retired, hindsight is 20/20 after all
Or, hear me out, now that they’ve got the job of representing us it’s the perfect time to call them out, hold them accountable, and try to make sure they actually do so
Dang I’m not nominating you for the Buc Nasty award. Very solid hatin
Thanks, I try ;)
We still have statements to go off so there’s more than enough material to shit on, say, Schumer and Jeffries, but the real meat is going to come on Nov 18th when they elect Congress leadership.
Oh hey, big holding corps are buying up methadone clinics.
The real question is how I can get rich off this
Crush the working class for profit. EZ
If it weren’t for the “blue maga” mention, I can take this comment seriously and agree with it 98%. Given that every cultlike Democrat that has ever existed wouldn’t outnumber the maga ones who currently live in a single county in Florida, this is a disingenuous term that destroys the credibility of anyone using it.
I genuinely can’t parse your critique, but find it a funny and apt term for a certain type of person. Political merch cash cows and the “forever war but inclusive” corpos they fall in behind. Feels like the Cali governor is the next one they’re propping up, for a more concrete example. “I’m with her” t-shirts while Bernie was getting fucked over is another
I don’t quite believe that you don’t get what you’re doing or what issue I have with the term “blue maga”. It’s obviously meant to compare rabid racist sociopaths to some democrat equivalent. Every trump supporter I’ve conversed with in my life has copped to zero negative facts about trump. Most they’d ever admit is “he doesn’t always hold back” or some shit. Meanwhile I’ve known many Democratic voters. Most of which aren’t even really that knowledgeable, and yet, they were always open to criticism of Democrats. They rarely make excuses for them. I’ve only known 2 people who like Biden and maybe 1 who liked Kamala. Almost universally, Democratic voters would be in favor of prosecuting Democrats who commit crimes. Meanwhile Republicans cover for a known rapist pedophile.
What you’re intentionally doing is pretending there’s anything comparable about the two groups of voters. You know there’s not much there to compare. And because I know you must know this, you have given up your credibility. Pretty simple really.
…one thing I am sure of is that you’re putting words in my mouth, assuming my intentions, and generally being an asshole. I never had any credibility, I’m a random fuckin shitposter like yourself. At least I know it! Really should know better than to engage too, but yes there are absolutely people delusional enough to deny the crimes of their chosen tribe wherever you look and your anecdotal bullshit is exactly the kind of “evidence” that lets them get away with it
Like I said, when you used that term you knew what you were doing and I wouldn’t expect you to drop the pretense now.
Lmao just noticed your claim that I’m the same as a pedophile cover-upper because I accurately conveyed the demeanor of people I’ve known in real life.
I am glad, even proud, to still have no idea what your problem is lol. Enjoy downvoting every reply I’ve been baitied into wasting on you, not feeling the need to reciprocate that is enough of a win for me
You know exactly what my problem is. Both before and after I expanded on it. Contrary to your “you’re a troll just baiting people” claim, you can rest assured this is the last time you will hear back.
::reads thread::
::awards OP the “most accurate shitpost” award::
Hate hate hate hate!
I read this in Chris Ray Gun’s voice
It really pisses off my younger self that Dave is the perfect fit here
I’m surprised it took so long, still can’t believe he got reelected after his first shit term.
He was already the worst President. “No war” my ass
