I am ethically and morally opposed to gen AI as a concept. As far as the breaking point, let me explain. I’ve been a machinist for ~18 years. It’s been really bad for the last 9 years and I’ve more or less had to live off of savings from the good years (those savings are basically gone).

I’ve just recently gotten legitimate job offers for ~$125 an hour remote because I own a CNC. The catch is that I have to record all of the CAM programming and machine time in order to train an AI to replace potentially hundreds of thousands of jobs.

This fucking sucks. I’d love to sit on my ass forever at 43, but I absolutely fucking hate the potential that I could bring that would crush the working class and elevate the owning class.

I wish it wasn’t this hard, because I really do believe in socialism and have labored hard for a long time to make it happen - but there’s a chance I can put everything I have into true anarchism cause and make a legitimate difference.

Please help.

  • hneerqe@lemmy.world
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    Don’t say he won’t be complicit because he totally would be. He’d knowingly accept the job and lay the work. Saying it’s gonna happen anyway might be a cope for this decision, but it’s a decision he alone takes with conscience, wether it bothers him or not.

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      eye roll Get it that this isn’t the right place for a nuanced discussion on this, or probably even the right platform, but I’ll say it anyways.

      Congress is complicit in the grand theft of IP by not stopping it in its tracks. So is every employee that did the theft itself, every lawyer that helped arrange the financial details, etc. All the big data collection companies that sold your info are complicit in the rape of your privacy.

      But the fact is that there are real technological innovations with the advent of modern machine learning, and it’s dumb to lump the march of innovation in with all the worst parts of whatever “AI” is.

      OP isn’t complicit in the obsolescence of the actual work he does - that’s falsely assigning judgement and negative connotation to a plain fact: the industry he works in is changing. Eventually there will be many fewer machinists that do the work he does, and AI will do a lot of the work that used to be done by human machinists. That in and of itself isn’t a good or bad thing (it just IS), even if there’s TONS of negative externalities (environmental, economic control, loss of jobs, whatever). So no, OP isn’t complicit in some downfall of his industry if he sells his knowledge to train AI models.

      Now, if he stole this data from employees in a company or something and sold it, he would be complicit in the theft of that information. But not necessarily the industry change that is coming.

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        Yes OP us and you write long strings of bullshit to cope I think. Job opening I turned down training AI in video editing is still open. You are projecting big time. You would take it.

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          Based off of the information provided in only the OP, yeah I probably would take it if was in their position. I don’t see anything morally wrong with literally being paid for providing industry training for specialized skills for machine learning.

          Everyone bitches like “I want AI to do the dishes for me so I can do art, not do art for me so I can do dishes” yeah that’s a legit feeling but the reality is that there was tons of art to steal to train models on and zero data about how your body moves when you’re doing dishes to train models on. So we got art and writing and music theft and the destruction of web search, because all that information was available and easy to steal. When I say FUCK AI that’s what I’m talking about, along with all the other disgusting business practices across the board.

          Being paid to train machine learning models to do your job in the future isn’t selling out. Tech moves on, jobs go away. It’s the HOW that evolution happens that we should cast moral judgement on, not the fact that it happens in the first place.

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            No mf don’t act like you’re pro-rights and life when you’re not offering a reasonable alternative. Artists lost our jobs and now we live on the streets while you consume shit trained on our work and talk about how useless we are now and how we have to accept that. Accept that I fucking hate you and will never ever consider you anything less than a fascist if you can’t resist the most basic thing to resist ever (robots designed by fascists meant to make art and propaganda specifically to embolden the warmongering capitalist class). Like yeah of course you feel this way, you probably get all your advice from a fucking Elon musk robot lmao. You kept letting it slide.