A Gallup poll found the split between Republicans and Democrats about their satisfaction with the direction of the country was at its widest since 2001.
Yeah, you’re still misunderstanding everything and arguing semantics.
You claimed that people on “the left” didn’t vote for Harris. There is no possible interpretation of that assertion without determining who “the left” is. The is a semantic argument at it’s core. I too hate arguing semantics, but they are important. I will again point out that you just straw-manned me as choosing to ignore the consequences of not voting. My entire point was to defend the left against your charge. Why would I care to do that if I didn’t agree it was a bad thing to do? You accusing me of (I assume intentionally) misunderstanding you really looks projection.
Sure US democrats are right of center relative to EU politics
That is not what I said. I did not reference the EU at all. You seem to think that left to right being a spectrum means that it’s an entirely relative distinction. It isn’t. Anyways, in the common rhetoric, when Democrats accuse the left of being disloyal to the party, they are not talking about the ideological breadth of the Democratic party, they mean the part of the party that’s further left than the rest of the party. I believe you when you say that you did not intend to say the same, but you have to realize that you can’t just ignore the political context in which you use words like that. Intentional or not, you joined the chorus of establishment Democratic voices using those same words.
one would assume we would operate off of the Overton window in US politics as our frame of reference
It’s not really a matter of the overton window, though I can see why I could have made that more clear. I think I just cleared that up above. To state it again simply, the words you used are being used by the Democratic establishment, and they are not talking about anyone left of the fascists. They are talking about the “Bernie wing”, and they make that clear.
But nah, whatever “wins” the argument I guess. I’m done talking to you. Bye bye.
It’s kind of pathetic of me, but coming to lemmy I had this idea that maybe it would be like reddit of old, before it went to shit. It was foolish of me to think I could still find quality human beings on the Internet.
That type of discourse will follow you if you’re the one generating it. I’m not willing to have a conversation with someone that wants to twist everything I say and argue incessantly about which definition of a word, or which frame of reference we should use. You have no intellectual integrity. Now leave me alone please.
The terms we are using “left”, “progressive”, etc are full of ambiguity that can easily be mistaken for intentional “twisting” of what someone is saying. I don’t know how to deal with that without addressing those definitions. If you have any suggestions, I’d be happy to consider them. Also, if you want to be left alone, you are under no obligation to respond. Making statements then instructing someone to not respond is pretty shitty behavior, even if you say “please”.
You claimed that people on “the left” didn’t vote for Harris. There is no possible interpretation of that assertion without determining who “the left” is. The is a semantic argument at it’s core. I too hate arguing semantics, but they are important. I will again point out that you just straw-manned me as choosing to ignore the consequences of not voting. My entire point was to defend the left against your charge. Why would I care to do that if I didn’t agree it was a bad thing to do? You accusing me of (I assume intentionally) misunderstanding you really looks projection.
That is not what I said. I did not reference the EU at all. You seem to think that left to right being a spectrum means that it’s an entirely relative distinction. It isn’t. Anyways, in the common rhetoric, when Democrats accuse the left of being disloyal to the party, they are not talking about the ideological breadth of the Democratic party, they mean the part of the party that’s further left than the rest of the party. I believe you when you say that you did not intend to say the same, but you have to realize that you can’t just ignore the political context in which you use words like that. Intentional or not, you joined the chorus of establishment Democratic voices using those same words.
It’s not really a matter of the overton window, though I can see why I could have made that more clear. I think I just cleared that up above. To state it again simply, the words you used are being used by the Democratic establishment, and they are not talking about anyone left of the fascists. They are talking about the “Bernie wing”, and they make that clear.
How unsurprising.
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It’s kind of pathetic of me, but coming to lemmy I had this idea that maybe it would be like reddit of old, before it went to shit. It was foolish of me to think I could still find quality human beings on the Internet.
That type of discourse will follow you if you’re the one generating it. I’m not willing to have a conversation with someone that wants to twist everything I say and argue incessantly about which definition of a word, or which frame of reference we should use. You have no intellectual integrity. Now leave me alone please.
The terms we are using “left”, “progressive”, etc are full of ambiguity that can easily be mistaken for intentional “twisting” of what someone is saying. I don’t know how to deal with that without addressing those definitions. If you have any suggestions, I’d be happy to consider them. Also, if you want to be left alone, you are under no obligation to respond. Making statements then instructing someone to not respond is pretty shitty behavior, even if you say “please”.