Look at the lines of Military families having to stand in line to receive food. Federal workers and the military aren’t getting paid because of the MAGA shutdown which happened because Republicans are afraid the Epstein files will get released.

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    oh no! “Military families”
    americans are such regime bootlickers

    fuck that scum

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    Are these the communist breadlines millennials were warned “woke socialism” would bring about all their lives? Great job Trump! Mao would be proud!

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    Chuck Schumer already caved so it looks like the health insurance rates will go up in December. Also, the Democrats don’t want the Epstein files “released” either, and you’ll see, when they get the chance, they’ll deliberately fuck it up.

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    Reminder that the shutdown is happening because Republicans want to take away our healthcare. Both sides of this are their fault.

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    Boy, this whole shutdown and all it’s causing is doing the opposite of what the goal was - to forget about those Epstein files. There must REALLY be something they don’t want us to see. This makes the Streisand effect pale in comparison.

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    Not keeping those specific bellies full is a tad risky business… This makes me rethink all the theories I read lately about trump’s 5D chess starvation plans honestly.

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      Of course they will. Looking to the security industrial complex for salvation is extremely foolish. These people are there because this is what they want.

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        People enlist for a variety of reasons. I don’t think that who the current president is typically has much impact on those decisions.

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    I don’t understand… Who cares about the military? They will shoot you down if given the order. Those sweet innocent starving people will literally murder you in the street if they’re told to.

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      I live in a heavy military area. My dad was stationed in the area before retiring, and I’ve been here since. Honestly, most of the enlisted people I’ve met are great people. They’re usually just regular working class people trying to get a better life through the benefits the military provides. I’d trust them most of the time. They usually aren’t there because they’re violent assholes seeking power.

      The police? Yeah, I don’t trust them at all. Most of them did it because they want power over their fellow citizens. They joined to have authority. They’ll shoot you for calling them a bad name without needing to be ordered to.

      If we want any hope changing things then we need allies. A lot of those people will need to be from the military. Stop making enemies. Make friends. We have enough enemies without alienating people who otherwise agree with us.

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        Imagine the number of military personnel it would require to overthrow the government. The percentage of cooperation within the military. All the branches of the military. Do you Seriously think that kind of coordination is going to happen in this country?

        There will be no revolution. The United States is a lobster boiling in a pot. When the lobster is dead, the rich will eat it and move on. This is the only reality that Ddoesn’t require wild speculation, because it’s happening every day

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      Absolute shit take. The vast majority of enlisted members joined because they had no other opportunities. Kids, literal children who couldn’t afford college without a scholarship, or maybe wanted to be a pilot and couldn’t afford training. Immigrants who would risk their lives just to fast track citizenship.

      Not to mention that’s fucking Nellis AFB, aka Area 51. Those are engineers, scientists, mechanics, test pilots, and probably a bunch of desk jockeys. None of those people joined the military to murder people.

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        And yet every single one of them will. If they don’t, they will lose all that stuff they went in for. They will go to jail. They will be dishonorably discharged.

        None of those people will ever risk that.

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          If they do, and the Fascists lose, they lose all of it too. It’s an illegal order to perform an illegal action, so they’re legally obligated not to obey. Yes, they’ll be arrested (if they as a group don’t “override” their CO and bounce after). They’ll then be tried and possibly dishonorably discharged. If the Fascists lose though, they’ll quite possibly be executed, or at least held for life, if they follow the order. It’s a gamble either way, and hopefully they side with their conscience.

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            It’s pretty unlikely. Because, it would take a significant number of them to go against their Superiors. Even if they get 50%, there’s still another 50% who are going to fight against them. The best case scenario is it’s all out war within the military. Of course, the poor citizens around them will be taking bullets.

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      Propaganda’s a hell of a drug. I’ve been there, and it takes a lot of introspection to break free of it, but that’s something that can absolutely happen in the middle of a military contract - especially if you’re spurred awake by your own president taking food off your table. I’ve got a lot less faith in the military’s ability to say no to illegal orders after seeing troops sent to invade US cities; but even if they’ve chosen a misguided as fuck career path from some sense of patriotism, that doesn’t put all of them in full stormtrooper territory.

      This isn’t an “oh no, the poor troops!” situation, its a “the man giving you orders is an enemy of the US, and now his attacks on our nation are effecting YOU.” situation.

      If this is what it takes to slap some sense into them, I’d say don’t waste the opportunity on dehumanizing them: that line of people all swore an oath to defend the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic. We’re literally paying them to defend us from people like Trump - this might just be the push that one of them needs to act on that oath.

      The military has a ton of potential to do what’s right, despite them having thus far chosen to do what’s easy. I’d encourage any active duty reading this to carefully consider your oath and the forces currently at play against our country, from both inside and out.

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        Threat is subjective, that’s the problem. Some people don’t see the s threat. Some people, the bloodthirsty, boot licking kind who signed up for the military most definitely do not see any kind of problem.

        This is never going to be one of those situations where people in the military band together and save the country from evil. This isn’t a movie. Those people will literally mow down their neighbor without batting an eye if they can get a few extra slices of bread. Every last person who has ever touched the military service is the bottom of humanity.

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          It sounds like the only military personnel you’ve seen are in movies. The vast majority are not bloodthirsty. Most aren’t even bootlickers. They’re doing it because it’s a good opportunity to get out of a shitty spot.

          You need to just shut the fuck up. You don’t know anything and you’re just making things worse. If you want to win whatever comes next (election, war, etc.) then you need allies. A lot of those allies will be military personnel. If you can’t deal with that then you aren’t a useful ally. Alienating people based on some stupid idiology you hold that you have tested is the dumbest thing I’ve seen.

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            Oh please. The military always fall in line. They won’t risk their lives or their pension by stepping out of line.

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          Do you know anything about the military?

          One of the biggest draws for people is the paycheck, a lot see military service as a way out of poverty. It’s like one of their main points for recruitment…

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            Right, exactly. The paycheck is not just this week the paycheck is Mortgage rates, Interest rate rates on loans, Education funding,etc.

            They will never give that up. They will mow down parking lots of people for that mortgage rate, especially now that Trump is screaming about 50 year mortgages

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          Threat is subjective, that’s the problem.

          So leverage it. We don’t need the military to band together in an act of unified defiance, we need a single one of them to start paying attention to those doubts spinning around in their noggin and do what they’re being paid for.

          Yeah some people join because they’re horrible people that get off to committing crimes against humanity; but others join because they’ve been duped into thinking it’s the right thing to do. Being evil is something to hold against someone; being duped isn’t. Again, propaganda’s a hell of a drug, but this is a potentially powerful teaching moment.

          Stop looking at the military as a single personality - some of those are potential allies.

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            OK, feel free to give me instructions on how I can leverage it. Meanwhile I’m working on emigration, fuck this place.

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              OK, feel free to give me instructions on how I can leverage it.

              You saw my previous two posts: stick with an assumption that they joined over some logic that’s actually defensible like a sense of patriotism; and point out that they can still act on the duty they agreed to.

              That oath carries a lot of weight for some of them. So far, not enough weight to spur them into action, but calling them murderers isn’t going to move any of them toward the introspection and reflection on their actual duties that we need from them right now.

              Best of luck with the emigration, cuz, yeah fuck this place.

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                The oath… to protect against antifa? The vague threat? Cause that’s what it’s gonna be sold to them as. How many bodies does it take for the military to do what they should? In my opinion, we have already passed that point… I feel everybody has chosen their sides.

                I think it’s probably best that I don’t speak to some mentally ill jarhead. I’m liable to get shot— which would not surprise me in the least.

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                  …dude, what’s your goal here? Why would YOU want to spin antifa as a domestic threat? I don’t actually need to tell you it’s the ‘fa’ part that’s the domestic threat, you know that already… right? You’re spitting out Fox news talking points like they’re some kind of inevitability that we all just need to bend over and take.

                  Fuck that.

                  You don’t need to lead the charge against the bullshit happening in this country, but if all you’ve got to offer is defeatist whining, then maybe keep that shit to yourself?