There appear to be a vast number of iberals who are indeed raging angry by the murders, represented by people wearing the Liberal badge and not reported and not reflected.
No elected liberal leader has decried this ongoing genocide. Every single one supports Israel, and other settler colonial projects just like it. Liberal countries have been the main perpetrators of colonialism in the modern era, so this is nothing surprising.
Have to upvote you on this truth
So vote against them and teach them a lesson.
Bourgeois democracy (ie capitalist dictatorship) is a rigged game, you can’t beat capitalists at a game where they stack the candidates / players.
Even the ancient greeks knew that representative “democracy” based on elections always results in an aristrocracy and not democracy, because wealthy / upper class candidates and families are the only ones who have enough money to fund their campaigns and win the popularity contest, and then run the governments in the interests of their own class.
It serves as a distracting theatre piece / reality tv show, gives the illusion of democracy, platforms the reactionary views of the ruling class, and builds consent for the system itself.
Marxists rediscovered that by the 1800s, and liberals can’t wrap their heads around it in 2025.
Even alternative voting systems don’t make a difference, that just makes the candidate stacking more expensive. Whether in japan, australia, the UK, France, bourgeios parliamentarism has proven to be the safest and most stable shell for capitalist dictatorship.
Democracy fucking sucks. However, authoritarianism is so much worse.
Bourgeois democracy (ie capitalist dictatorship
I don’t think you know what a dictatorship is. The term you’re looking for is oligarchy.
Maybe I’ve been on lemmy too long. So confused on who liberals are anymore.
Liberalists believe in a secular ideology where all humans are equal but white people are the most equal.
it comes down to capitalism vs socialism.
progressive + capitalist = liberal
progressive + socialist = leftist
US politics is weird. Liberal in the rest of the world is more aligned to socialism than capitalism. Leftist is way more extreme.
a liberal in the united states is a centrist in the rest of the world.
a leftist in the united states is a liberal in the rest of the world.
the united states is MUCH more conservative that the rest of the world
Indeed. I think I need to find a less US dominated instance maybe.
Lemmy.ml is less US-dominated than other general instances, though you can find country-specific instances.
Well. That one makes sense. So I’m leftist…… prepares for hate
leftist is pretty vague still because others are leftist too but each other’s mortal enemies like like anarchists and communists.
you have to study political theories to understand what they actually mean. most people calling themselves leftist in the united states are democrat-socialist because they don’t understand what socialism is due to not reading any sort of political theory.
Not all of us anarchists have been successfully propagandized to hate communists 🤷♀️
who does this sort of propaganda?
Anyone to the right of anarchists and communists I guess. Find someone using the word “tankie” or “authoritarian” and you’ve probably found a live one.
that does next to nothing to narrow it down. lol
I think you have a typo. Libs don’t support Israel in anything.
I bet you think Kamala Harris is a marxist
No but she isn’t a fascist either.
what private, idiosyncratic definition of fascism do you hold that does not implicate her as being a fascist?
What were you saying?
Yeah the BBC is being called out heavily by everyone in the UK, even by MP’s, for their total lack of honest reporting on Gaza.
MP’s decrying dishonest reporting, yet continuing to fund the genocide. Quoting yourself:
Individual politicians might seem Liberal but are not, they are just politicians playing games to stay in power.
Glad you agree that OP’s picture is inaccurate. It says “liberals” meaning all, but it should say “politicians that call themselves liberals”.
Nope. The liberals who voted in the liberal politicians are the ones who support this slide. You are personally responsible for that. You keep believing the newest liberal politicians, and the cycle keeps repeating itself.
Oh dear. Black and white vision, confirmed.
is that the only thought terminating cliche you know?
I have news for you. The BBC isn’t a single liberal entity. Some parts are liberal for sure, but mostly it just “looks” liberal some of the time, especially the news and politics teams who essentially do whatever the current UK government wants, under threat of defunding.
I have news for you
In Europe and Latin America, liberalism means a moderate form of classical liberalism and includes both conservative liberalism (centre-right liberalism) and social liberalism (centre-left liberalism).[26]
Liberalism essentially encompasses the entirety of what is broadly considered acceptable within western politics, which is why you’ll sometimes hear the term ‘western liberal democracies’, but for our purposes we are usually referring to the less immediately fascist end of the spectrum
(liberalism always eventually decays into fascism due to the utter disempowerment of any force with material interests in resisting the pull of fascism, but nevermind that for now)that like to consider themselves progressive because they engage positively with identity politics.They aren’t truly progressive because they don’t fundamentally challenge the systems and power structures that enable these kinds of political developments (loss of bodily autonomy, marriage equality, affirmative gender care, etc) and the proliferation of the “culture war” in the first place, and are very often minimizing and hostile towards those who do take a principled stance against these systems. The extent of their political understanding is largely bound by establishment liberal media which has a clear stake in the continuation of that very same system that is threatened by any real material social progress. This contradiction often leads liberals into defending those systems and power structures even at the expense of the marginalized groups that a liberal would purport to defend, and lashing out against those to the left of them for not “knowing their place” in a system that has for a very long time been ratcheting itself towards fascism.
No. Liberal countries do most of the resistance of Fascism. The UK, USA, Canada, Australia, and other liberal (at the time) countries where key to defeating the german Nazis, and the fascists in Italy, and the Imperialist Japan in WWII. Institutions like the UN, European Court of Human Rights, and NATO all came about from liberal countries, and were specifically designed to prevent more fascism. If liberalism is alwasys headed towards “decay into fascism,” those liberal-led alliances would have collapsed into authoritarianism decades ago. Instead, they’ve mostly grown and improved human rights.
Liberals have driven a load of meaningful structural changes. How about . . .
- Civil Rights Act which brought down the racial segregation, and was led by liberal lawmakers and other progressive movements.
- Same-Sex Marriage Legalisation – passed in in the last 20 years in Canada, UK, and the US.
- Continued growth of Universal Healthcare
This is wrong on many accounts.
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The UK, France, US, Canada, and Australia all paled in comparison to the USSR, who killed 85% of the total Nazis killed during World War II. Many of these liberal countries, the US especially, had thriving trade with Nazi Germany and non-aggression pacts early on in the 1930s. The US even continued to do business in Nazi Germany during World War II by cloaking assets owned by Ford, Coke, etc. It isn’t liberals, but communists that have been the most consistent and steady anti-fascists in history.
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NATO isn’t anti-fascist, it’s anti-communist, and has been led by literal Nazis like Adolf Heusinger. There is no part of NATO that has been anti-fascist.
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These liberal countries have always been authoritarian, as they are all dictatorships of capital.
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They have grown economically thanks to the spoils of imperialism.
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The Civil Rights Act was won by leftist agitation from leftists like Martin Luther King Jr, Malcolm X, and outright communists like the Black Panther Party relentlessly pushing for it. Liberals opposed it initially.
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Same-sex marriage was pushed for relentlessly by leftists such as the Black Panther Party, Gay Liberation Front, and more, until liberals eventually conceded.
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Universal Healthcare has been regularly pushed for through millitant organizing from leftists, liberals have been responsible for weakening or privatizing healthcare.
You don’t really know what you’re talking about.
As much as some of that is partly true is does more to demonstrate your focus on disregarding postive stuff, which is the majority, only calling out the negative takes that serve your argument. based on this behaviour I’m guessing you are a Trump support. btw, Trump is old an English word meaning to pass wind, aka fart.
Trump is old an English word meaning to pass wind, aka fart.
The best way to describe Trump is a wet fart. But you saying this doesn’t hurt our feelings. We 100% agree he’s a fart. We just also think Starmer is a fart, and you fail to see that part.
I hope you’re doing a bit and aren’t actually this much of a dipshit.
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In all fairness, a liberal is just a Nazi that has never actually experienced suffering before.
So liberals are nazis now? I’ll pen that in under alt-right nationalists, republicans, conservatives in general, democrats…
Like seriously, we are seriously watering down the word Nazi by just labeling everyone we don’t like as a racist supporter of fascism. Besides, how can every blue state and blue city be riddled with Nazis if they are the one’s constantly complaining that our government is devolving into an authoritarian state? RIDDLE ME!!
Baffling how this got downvoted to lemmy’s equivalent of oblivion with no rebuttals by anyone, you’re absolutely right.
There were several rebuttals, you just can’t see them. Plus, the link between liberalism and fascism is well-established, both are capitalist ideologies, and since capitalism decays, liberalism leads to fascism.
That is such a shoddy argument. Communism leads to fascism, we have examples. Socialism leads to fascism, we have examples. Monarchy leads to fascism, we have examples. ALL political schemes can lead to fascism, and it has everything to do with the pursuit of power by a few and very little to do with the system of governance itself. Of course Capitalism can lead to fascism; where ever there is fair compromise to be exploited there will be an opportunity for fascism.
Also, I didn’t see any other replies to my comment. Unless you think I’m going to stalk the person I replied to and nag them to reply to me directly, I don’t think that counts :/
Fascism is specifically a bourgeois ideology that emerges when property rights are in danger and the ruling class needs to assert itself. Fascism isn’t just “when the government does stuff I don’t like,” it’s an irrational ideology that emerges out of the rational interests of the bourgeoisie when capitalism is in crisis.
I believe you missed @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net’s comment.
Hmm, that’s interesting. I can’t find that definition for fascism anywhere, but I’m not going to dismiss it just because a few dictionaries don’t align perfectly. I’ll do some digging and see if I can find the historical context and first-use cases.
I am curious what parts of China are your friends from? I mostly hang out with people from Sichuan, with one friend from a village called Urumqi(I have no idea where that is though). China is a big place, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a different regard for the government region-to-region.
As for fascism, Wikipedia pretty clearly puts it at a far-right ideology, one that first appeared in Italy with Mussolini. I don’t really put too much stock in Wikipedia vs books on the subject, but I’m not really aware of any non-far-right version of fascism.
Urumqi is in Xinjiang, seems cool to visit! Would love to. Most of my Chinese friends are online, so they don’t really say where they are from (neither do I), but I’d expect somewhere near the coast or more populous like Congqing or Chengdu, Shangai, etc.
It’s really very simple.
If you voted for Palestinian extermination, regardless of your reasons for doing so, you are a nazi.
Liberals spent a year browbeating anyone who pointed this out as a Hamas supporter (based), “unpragmatic” (hilarious) hysterical tankies who could never be pleased. We tried to warn you feckless pack-followers that you were signing on to the ultimate crime. This was your response: to plug your ears and laugh
We tried to warn you, and now It’s too late for you motherfuckers to pretend to care about “aurhoritarianism” when you were happy to support it being inflicted on brown people out of sight and out of mind. I hope brunch was worth it, because you’re social poison now.
Did anyone ever uncover who those people covering their ears and mocking the victims were?
Who is the “we” in you who did the warning? Do you have a group name?
