- Nvidia and Micron are making emotional appeals to consumers while PC users express frustration with big AI companies’ practices and self-serving motives.
- Memory vendors predict DRAM and SSD shortages lasting until mid-2027, while new tariffs on advanced computing chips and potential Steam Machine pricing over $1,000 add to consumer concerns.
- The article highlights how corporations use emotional messaging to mask financial interests, advising consumers to remain skeptical of such appeals.
Here’s an idea: a catalogue of companies who pulled this shit during the bubble, so we know who not to buy from when it bursts.
speaking of gaming i know people with recent degree in gaming related field, not surprise he couldnt find a job in that field.
It almost seems like they want to make home computing unaffordable, so you have to rent PC time from a cloud provider. This way they nickel and dime you, and use your data to train their LLMs.
Micron and nvidia get their cut by being able to set whatever prices they can imagine.
there are plenty of home computers for sale for under $500. i’m on a $700 laptop right now that’s 4 years old.
they just can’t run modern games. i can run 2d games just fine or old games.
the gaming crowd seems to forget that most computers don’t use integrated graphics and a $1000 PC is a luxury purchase.
That’s exactly what they’re aiming for.
I hope that will prompt many more people to adopt Linux then
I said before and I will say it again. AI is product being built by its users, an unfinished program that it is used wrong just for companies to make money. AI hasn’t made any progress and we won’t see any progress, because it is used by companies to profit.
They don’t care about the economy and the downsides, they care to make us use AI.i overheard today on the bus, that someone(assume in grad school) as a TA was planning to use AI to grade all the classes homework without care if it was inconsistently correct or not, it isnt going to end well.
Yet if prices somehow go back to sanity, people will flock back to nVidia like they always did
Way, way back, capitalism was a version of “the customer is always right.” Various companies would compete to sell a product at the right price point and quality the customer could accept. It wasn’t perfect, but it was pointed mostly the right direction.
Now capitalism is just the few major companies competing to see who can make the biggest cash grab and fuck the regular customer with prices, fees, and enshittification. Now we have dystopian monopolies divorced from the consumers.
You could go further and say what’s happening now isn’t capitalism at all. Yanis Varoufakis calls the modern world economy “technofeudalism”: it’s controlled by information hypercompanies like Amazon, Google, and Apple, that make money not by producing anything, but by controlling the flow of information between consumers and producers, and charging producers rent for access to consumers.
If you’re an app developer, you pay Google and Apple whatever they ask, and you follow their rules, or you don’t get to sell your product in their app stores; if you sell products, you give Amazon their cut, or you don’t get to sell in their market. And because Google and Apple and Amazon have so effectively entrapped customers, capitalists who don’t agree to their terms can’t get to their consumers at all.
It’s vassal capitalism. Capitalists pay their technofeudal lords their 30% cut of revenue and compete with each other for the remaining scraps. And then they raise prices and cut wages, squeeze their workers and exploit their consumers even more, in order to make enough money to survive at all.
I don’t disagree. I don’t know about strictly “techno-“, because it isn’t restricted just to the insertion of technological rent extractors every step of the way, it’s also every single business trying to maximize profits at every step along the production line, and they’re all effective monopolies that have no other way to make the line move up other than to charge for it. Almost nobody is making anything new, it’s just putting different color lipstick on a pig.
Capitalism, when unchecked, tends to create those giant monopolies you’ve mentioned. It is capitalism at its end game, total consolidation.
You are right that capitalism tends towards monopolies. But I think there’s a significant difference in what, exactly, is being monopolized. Capital itself is not being monopolized. Access to the marketplace is being monopolized.
In a capitalist monopoly, you would have to buy, for example, shoes, from just one shoe factory, which is the only factory able or allowed to sell you shoes. It can charge whatever price it wants, and you have to pay it or go without shoes. That’s how a monopoly in a capitalist economy works.
In the current economy, you can go to Walmart or Amazon and buy hundreds of different shoes from hundreds of different factories, all competing against one another. You have an enormous amount of choice in shoes.
But those shoe factories all have to pay rent to Walmart and Amazon, and have to sell their shoes at the price Walmart and Amazon tells them to, and have to agree to sell their shoes at lower prices at Walmart or Amazon than on their own website. If they refuse, they’re not allowed to sell on Walmart and Amazon at all.
And because so many physical consumers only have access to a Walmart, and no other stores; and because so many online consumers default to Amazon for all their purchases; if the capitalists don’t submit to Walmart and Amazon they lose so much of the customer market they won’t be able to compete.
That’s the feudalism part. The capitalists aren’t in charge. The vectoralists are - the people who control the flow of information, the lines of communication between producers and consumers. And the vectoralists have split the economy into a handful of private fiefdoms, and make money not from producing anything, but from charging rent for access to their private fiefdom and the customers entrapped within it.
And since this phenomenon is most advanced online, where Amazon controls almost the entire online physical goods market and Google and Apple control almost the entire app market, we can call it technofeudalism.
Traditional monopolies certainly exist - for example, the American food supply is controlled by only a handful of companies - but those companies aren’t the ones controlling the price of food. Walmart and Amazon do.
Or to put it another way: in a socialist economy, like the USSR’s, the government controls the flow of goods and the allocation of resources.
In a capitalist economy, the owners of capital - the land and factories and natural resources that produce goods - control that flow.
And now, in a technocratic economy, the flow of goods and services is controlled, not by the government, and not by the owners of capital, but by the vectoralists.
I think it’s a vital distinction to make.
I remember back in the reddit days telling people that the EU doesn’t have trillion dollar tech megacorps because we don’t want companies to have this much power and the americans calling it cope. Well no ones laughing now.
But today’s money doesn’t really have any frontiers our boundaries. If a corp is being openly traded in the stock market, it belongs to the very same assholes that own the americans megacorps.
“Actually, real capitalism has never been tried”
I don’t think that’s what they were saying, but I also think you probably don’t care.
The customer is always right was never a thing.
For a start, it’s an intentional shortening of the actual phrase, for exploitative reasons, of “the customer is always right in matters of taste”
Which just means “if they want to buy ugly shit, let them”
Huh, til
Well shit, that’s interesting. Thanks for the link.
I have been staring at the original comment trying to figure out how to basically say this, so thank you. lol. “The customer is always right” just means don’t tell the customer that green and purple polka dot curtains are fuck-ugly because it will hurt the company’s bottom line.
I don’t think Capitalism has ever been this romanticized version, at least not in my lifetime. It has always been about how much money “they” can squeeze out of consumers, and they have been inching more and more constantly for a long time to get where we are now. The companies have always wanted to manipulate to make more money, and the only slight road blocks or steps in the right direction have come from government regulation.
The “in matters of taste” line is misinformation started in the last decade online by people who repeat things without looking up if they’re true or not.
It’s exactly what monopolies and oligopolies end up doing, whatever is in their interest to do. If anti-trust laws were actually used to enforce competition, we wouldn’t be here. But since we can’t compete with the campaign donations of the companies those laws should be regulating, we get no regulation at all and end up here. Selfish people, being selfish, making everything worse for everyone else.
In order to appeal to others’ emotions, it really helps to have emotions of your own and feel empathy.
It’s just the same old tactics advertising and marketing shitheads have been using for decades. Just ignore them.
I’m worried that at the end of the day, gamers will just give up and accept higher prices, kinda like with GPUs.
Apart from a bit of simracing, I game almost exclusively on my Steam Deck lately. I upgraded a bunch of hardware early last year, and have no plans to upgrade again any time soon. I’m kinda glad I got it when I did.
they have to give up their bragging rights if they don’t upgrade their PCs
Yeah, imagine missing all that sweet reddit karma by not posting a photo of your RTX 5090.
They can fuck right off.
For the foreseeable future, DIYPC is dead.
most folks will pay. all my PC gamer friends are just paying $200 per 16GB stick now.
I am in a position to see first hand people regularly dropping ~$4000USD on “mid-range” PCs. It hasn’t slowed down purchasing of PCs, if anything it is speeding up compared to this time last year.
at that pricepoint it’s just about showing off how much money you have.
typical rich way to backhand brag about how rich you are is to whine about how ‘expensive’ things are that are luxury items.
Nothing like a call for empathy from the morally bankrupt.
Lol
“Our viewpoint is that we are trying to help consumers around the world. We’re just doing it through different channels. […] What’s going on right now is that the TAM [ed: Total Addressable Market] and data center is growing just absolutely tremendously. And we want to make sure that, as a company, we help fulfill that TAM as well.”
Let me translate that for you:
Yes we definitely want to support the consumers, but hey look, the thing is, these data centers want to buy a lot of memory, and guess what, they’re willing to buy it in bulk even at a huge mark up! Like just think about that… We’re gonna make so much money!
But uh, yeah uh, I feel you, that sucks bro and I appreciate you. But, dude, seriously, look at all this money! So yeah, stay strong guys, tweet about us! And don’t forget, if you want to be informed about the best memory deals, definitely sign up for our newsletter! Just put your email right in this field…
Yes we definitely want to support the consumers, but hey look, the thing is, these data centers want to buy a lot of memory, and guess what, they’re willing to buy it in bulk even at a huge mark up! Like just think about that… We’re gonna make so much money!
To be fair I would not be mad if that was the response, It’s the pandering that get’s me fuming
Yeah, some honesty would be refreshing.
Though to be fair, when that actually happens you know what we call that? “X company just said the quiet part out loud”.
So yeah, there’s kinda no pleasing us either…
LOL If companies were honest we’d have a socialist revolution within 48 hours.
I could care less about Asus and many more of those fuckers, but this is impacting every single part of the consumer electronics environment.
https://wccftech.com/asus-declares-all-in-ai-strategy-as-server-revenue-soars-beyond-expectation/
Forget ram. Wait until there’s widespread power outages yet you’re somehow paying 10x for your electricity bill because of the new data center down the street.
and anyone near datacenters get polluted water or any unforseen pollution, contamination that has yet been studied.
this is actually happening
my elecric company just raised its rates 13% and forcast rasing 25% next year after
we have a power making dam in town
historically we have had some of the cheapest power in the USA
i heard datacenter requires most of our electricity generation eventually.
If the data center is causing all that power drain, they should be the ones footing the damned bill
they also, businesses get wholesale lower rates than residential consumers. which is one of the big issues about them not paying thier fair share.
Combined over 20% last November, great times!!
Combined means we have:
first 1k kwh rate Above 1k kwh rate
And the above 1k kwh changes seasonally.
they send us these cute charts and stuff about our usage
they show you a “you are using xyz% more then previous year” type stuff
but my wife keeps it and their little bullshit is because they keep changing the rate and then using the new rate against your old usage as comparison. Looks like OMG we used a lot more power then last year! We should consider cutting something out.
But the actual meter reading numbers are almost always the same year after year
I like the suggestions to save money and lower usage.
“Have you tried living in complete darkness this month? You could save $2 off your bill!”
“Perhaps try not using electricity this month. Or, consider getting a second source of income to turn on your fridge for a few hours a day!”
"try building your own dam, or wind farm, or having solar panels, why not have a nuclear reactor in your basement to powe houser house.
It’s winter here, and I wear two or three layers with a sweater on top, because I am saving electricity.
We’ll have ourselves our first trillionaire, and silly me hates all the people with 500mil+ net worth, and their bootlickers.
Inb4 we get astroturfed “Luddites” telling us to just abandon electricity and live like the Amish.
Mine does that too, and there’s $300 in fees that don’t relate to the actual power used. Using no utilities, I’d still have to pay that much.
Wenatchee?
The aura that the US irradiates is just preposterous. At this point the only sound you can hear is the sound of boots being licked, evil corpos are doing what they please while the general populace is disregarded.
mmmm Facsism, feels good right?
FUCK TRUMP and FUCK THE REPUBLICANS THAT ENABLED HIM
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With gas prices at multiyear lows and electricity being so expensive it’s really hard to justify electrifying appliances. I was considering doing so (gas dryer, stove, water heater, furnace), but I think if I did I’d be paying an extra $300/month for quite a long time and that’s a hard pill to swallow.
I went through this process in 2012-2016 - took out the gas dryer, gas stove and replaced them with electric. Mostly because my wife’s family has a history of asthma and the data for gas appliances and asthma is disconcerting to say the least. Especially for kids.
Good luck with your eventual transition!
But think of the (big tech) shareholders!
> has an AI slop summary
Yeah I noticed that lmao, definitely AI slop.
AI slop with the audacity to block anyone with Privacy Badger enabled, like, “we worked hard to produce this AI slop so we deserve to make money scraping your personal data”
(edit: oh wait, I just noticed you meant OP’s summary. Yeah, blatant slop, get to fuck OP)
Computer electronics are like my main hobby. It was expensive on a good day. This makes it unaffordable.
it would be more unaffordable once people dont have jobs from all the layoffs.
Switch to retrocomputing; it’s currently significantly more affordable.
Not a bad idea. How do you actually partake that hobby? Is it more the same building things or the challenge of getting old hardware/software working?
A mix of both; finding old gear and combining parts to restore functional units, repairing where needed and learning more about how the systems work in the meantime.
And older SIMMs and DIMMs are relatively cheap right now — you can create a maxed out system for its era and still do everything on the computer that was possible to do when it was new.
There’s even great web proxies for older systems now, so if you want to, you can browse the modern web on a computer from 1996.
Well hey, I appreciate the recommendation. Maybe it’s time to get back into Windows 98 gaming. Just like mom used to make.
There were actually some genuinely great games in those days, with compelling stories and expansive worlds to explore that still hold up today, it wasn’t all Minesweeper and Pong.
A few highlights: Master Of Orion 2, Deus Ex, SimCity 2000 and 3000, TIE Fighter (or if you’re rebel scum: X-Wing, or X-Wing vs TIE Fighter), Half-Life, Diablo, Starcraft, Warcraft II, Ultima VII: The Black Gate and Ultima VII: Serpent Isle, Mechwarrior 2, Age of Empires, Fury^3, Fallout 2, Baldur’s Gate 2, The Sims 2, Command & Conquer: Red Alert, Total Annihilation.
Don’t be misled by the fact that some of these games are obviously sequels, or had console versions, or have had other sometimes even more well-known sequels and remakes since then. There are some genuine reasons to play the original specific game versions I’m listing here, to play them exactly as they were originally presented. Many of them have unique features and aspects that haven’t been repeated. It’s not just a Madden 15 vs Madden 16 situation, where you’ve played one you’ve played both. There may be a bit of rose-tinted nostalgia goggles in this list, I would certainly love the chance to go back and play some of these for the first time again, but there are also many genuine outliers even among their own franchises, that are unique and incredible, and genre-defining in many cases.
Master Of Orion 2 … TIE Fighter (or if you’re rebel scum: X-Wing, or X-Wing vs TIE Fighter) … Warcraft II …
X-Wing Alliance too, it’s a relatively modern game, but there’s something about the campaign. You really feel yourself a rebel.
They all have that atmosphere of going into the sea for real, I don’t know how to describe it.
Another old game with it is Ascendancy. I always get too emotional from its style and music, somehow it reminds me of how I dreamed of future in my childhood. But I didn’t play a lot of it for the same reason.
Master of Orion 2 is just very playable and comfortable.
TIE Fighter has that sense of humor similar to Dungeon Keeper in some sense.
X-Wing I like more, because of its atmosphere, again, you really feel yourself a rebel.
XvT is for a group of friends.
WarCraft II has amazing music. Other than feeling yourself in a world where moral alignment is not 2-dimensional, but 3-dimensional, chivalrous honor being the one forgotten. You might not feel yourself the good guy necessarily, but that honor you’ll feel in its campaign. A bit like in Harry Potter such a character as Bellatrix Lestrange has that quality maxed out in the positive direction, which makes her an interesting character compared to most DEs who are both baddies and spineless cowards.
!patientgamers@sh.itjust.works looked smug as hell. They’d been telling everyone for years.
There’s even great web proxies for older systems now, so if you want to, you can browse the modern web on a computer from 1996.
Please tell me more.
https://archive.org/details/win95_in_dosbox
One of the classics
The solution is to use an old computer?
Sounds like copium
I find it fascinating how the concept of coping with a situation has been made into a negative. “Get bent loser, how dare you try to make the best out of a bad situation”. Hold on, let me unfuck the tech sector real quick.
It goes wrong when you try to convince me that retrocomputing is somehow better than building a reasonably priced new machine.
It is and it isn’t. There’s a ton of tech waste and lots of people get rid of systems that are still quite capable. Obviously there’s less power but even a 6 year old gaming rig can still run most games, just at lower framerates
Not copium when the purpose is different.
I really need to get a new display replacement for my old vaio f series laptop. The screen layers are doing the funny vinegar thing. That and some sort of ssd. Maybe a USB Dom or some msata thing with a converter board.
IMHO there’s much hobbiness and fun to be had with creating a second or third life for “outdated” hardware. The current RAM crisis leaves me cool, on a 2014 ThinkPad. My kitchen server was a 2008 HP laptop.
What’s funny is that ding this makes it kinda obvious how incremental a lot if improvements really were. Like on paper DDR5 is MUCH better than DDR3, but somehow my old gaming machine is only a little slower than a new system playing shit that I actually run.
Software has also gone to shit performance wise, few things really get optimized anymore and there’s frameworks and containers behind everything.
For sure. Buying higher performance machines didn’t get us better performing games, it just got us lazy developers.
What does a kitchen server do?
Serves kitchens
“Your kitchen, sir”
“Our special today, is silverfish and granite, served with a side of wood chips, garnished with table salt.”
Discworld?
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🤔 ah, I suppose that makes sense
I used to have a static IP at home so I cold run my own physical server. I stuck it under the fridge because there were wall plugs and I didn’t want it in my living room. Hence the name.
It used to serve NFS shares locally, websites and CalDAV/CardDAV globally. A dual-core-but-32-bit stone old intel processor, 2GB of RAM, and never a performance problem.
