but should people be free to live/travel/work where they please or should they be locked within the state they were born in and beg other states to live in them?
borders should be nothing more than tools to help manage regions, not as restrictions for people, no one should need to move, but everyone should be able to do so if they wish to.
You will find your lack of fight against oppressers just more readily allows them to oppress.
Borders aren’t a colonial invention, your reference is to the idea that common people are subject to borders. Lords had their realms, and even with that common people had security checks. Let us not forget the military checkpoints that Guan Yu was stopped at as he fled Cao Cao. Historical accuracy of the account aside; it shows military checkpoints in traveling roads.
If you want to say Rome was colonialist then I’d agree but you’re going back three thousand years and refusing to acknowledge a system to prevent military incursions.
Regular people would get their wares checked and weapons confiscated when entering cities. Sometimes their wares would be held until they leave or they’d be denied entry.
The biggest change which you seem confused on is the scale of the states involved. Going from city state to country is more of a logistical hurdle we overcame than a colonialist expansion.
modern borders, as a fence where people aren’t allowed to cross is a colonial invention.
and honestly, arguing semantics and history is a fun tangent but not what I care about.
everyone should be free to travel and live/work/study wherever they please. and an immigrant and a local should have the same rights and opportunities.
that is separate to the point of “we should make their places better so they don’t need to migrate” which I agree, but need to note the western chauvinism in that statements. it would be enough if the west stopped messing and exploiting those nations, forcing them into poverty.
That’s what I said.
sorry,if I misread it.
Also a slight tangent, leftists don’t believe in borders, so “immigrant” is a nonsensical term.
why is someone considered less of they aren’t living in their birth country??? such an irrational hierarchies.
Uh yeah, we do. Every country on Earth recognizes borders. That doesn’t mean a person in one country is valued less than a person in another.
but should people be free to live/travel/work where they please or should they be locked within the state they were born in and beg other states to live in them?
Borders have a purpose, if we try removing them then we just become colonizers.
Rather than removing borders it’s better to invest to bring up the status of their home country.
Why should someone have to leave home to be more?
borders should be nothing more than tools to help manage regions, not as restrictions for people, no one should need to move, but everyone should be able to do so if they wish to.
borders are literally a colonial invention.
You will find your lack of fight against oppressers just more readily allows them to oppress.
Borders aren’t a colonial invention, your reference is to the idea that common people are subject to borders. Lords had their realms, and even with that common people had security checks. Let us not forget the military checkpoints that Guan Yu was stopped at as he fled Cao Cao. Historical accuracy of the account aside; it shows military checkpoints in traveling roads.
If you want to say Rome was colonialist then I’d agree but you’re going back three thousand years and refusing to acknowledge a system to prevent military incursions.
Regular people would get their wares checked and weapons confiscated when entering cities. Sometimes their wares would be held until they leave or they’d be denied entry.
The biggest change which you seem confused on is the scale of the states involved. Going from city state to country is more of a logistical hurdle we overcame than a colonialist expansion.
modern borders, as a fence where people aren’t allowed to cross is a colonial invention.
and honestly, arguing semantics and history is a fun tangent but not what I care about.
everyone should be free to travel and live/work/study wherever they please. and an immigrant and a local should have the same rights and opportunities.
that is separate to the point of “we should make their places better so they don’t need to migrate” which I agree, but need to note the western chauvinism in that statements. it would be enough if the west stopped messing and exploiting those nations, forcing them into poverty.
No, they’re not. They exist among countries that were historically colonized or were historically colonizers. Obviously.
That’s not a “semantic” argument, it’s understanding a basic and obvious fact.
you are focusing on the least important issue here. Are you upset I called someone “colonial”.
the real problem is that borders are stupid and shouldn’t restrain people
So then you support this “colonial invention”?
Borders exist everywhere, not just countries that were historically colonized.
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I’m saying borders are bad, and you somehow read that as the opposite?
cancer also exists everywhere, does that make it good?