• Matty Roses@lemmy.today
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    5 days ago

    and remains in line with fundamental values of liberal justice systems?

    Start by actually enforcing laws against the powerful, with penniless and impotent lifetimes spent in prison

    powerful interests hijacking the justice system?

    The fact that those laws aren’t enforced against the powerful is exactly the “liberal” justice system - the best justice one can buy, and if you can’t afford it, you get none. That’s exactly the problem. It is hijacked now, by design. And why there does need to be a threat specifically against the powerful.

    If all of these criminals thought they were facing the death penalty the crimes and corruption would just get worse

    This is just a Louis CK bit of ‘at least you get the kid back’.

    And no, I’m not calling for the death penalty in general for CSA.

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      I don’t think you understood what I meant when I referred to liberal justice systems, because you can’t conceive of any understanding of the word liberal unless it’s in a portmanteau with the word retard.

      The many demonstrable downsides of the death penalty (and lack of any evidenced differential benefits) goes well beyond Louis CK. Congratulations, you just discovered that comedians rehash ancient and serious political and philosophical discussions for laypersons. But you may wish to read the original material.

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        5 days ago

        Yeah, like I said, I grew up with this subject, so you can save the condescending bullshit. It’s pathetic. Apparently you can’t conceive that others can actually disagree with someone as amazing as you, and you alone, find your intellect to be.

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          Give me one tangible, evidenced benefit. Not sure how you grew up with it and are still unable to figure out that your position is entirely supported by emotion.

          You’re not going to insult me by suggesting that I respect my thinking on this topic.

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            Give me one tangible, evidenced benefit

            Deterrence. And unlike most criminal cases, these are people who do indeed have other options and can easily make a choice not to run rape rings for the wealthy, can easily choose not to fuck children, etc.

            by suggesting that I respect my thinking on this topic.

            Oh, so you don’t respect it either? Cool bro, fuck off now.

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                29 minutes ago

                Yes - and that’s because most often it’s applied to people who have few alternatives to criminality. There isn’t a good deterrence when good alternatives don’t exist. This is looking at the general population, and the death penalty is not effective then.

                Which is exactly what I stated above - it’s different when you’re dealing with elites, and there actually is a deterrence effect then.