For anyone who wants a truly progressive Democratic Party, Gavin Newsom is bad news.
I saw him show up and speak at Davos recently. Up until then I never realized what a phony grandstander he is. Still, almost anyone in the world is better than the current commander-in-cheat.
Naked Capitalism is pure kremlin propaganda.
Not a fan of Newsom, but at least he’s putting up a show of resistance unlike feckless Chuck.
It’s incredibly sad that a farce of a show is the best we get.
why do you say its kremlin propaganda? hobest question, not disagreeing, just ignorant
I read it for years during and after the global financial crisis. Susan (aka Yves) was right-on about many, many financial developments. She was fairly sharp in her criticism of Democrats, which opened my eyes to their malfeasance.
Things got murky when she dove into global politics. She published a few articles written by “experts” on Ukraine. Aside from the fact that Russia annexed Crimea (which she explained away as necessary), there wasn’t much info on contemporary Ukrainian politics, so it was hard to dismiss those articles. But she threw a lot of shade at the Maidan revolutionaries who ousted Putin’s puppet. She repeated Putin’s talking points about “Nazis” in Ukraine — which in retrospect was obvious nonsense. E.g. https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/03/discerning-volodymyr-zelensky.html
Carrying Putin’s water by doing some extra-fancy judo about how sanctions against Russia would only hurt the US: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/03/america-shoots-its-own-dollar-empire-in-economic-attack-on-russia.html
She can’t even call Russia’s actions an “invasion” or “war” but “military operation” and quotes Tulsi “Definitely Not A Russian Plant” Gabbard approvingly: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/02/russia-moves-troops-into-donbass.html
As we have said repeatedly, Putin does not have any interest in conquering Ukraine. However, he also wants Ukraine no longer to serve as a staging ground for US/NATO operations against Russia.
How do you know what Putin wants, Susan? Seems like he does want to conquer Ukraine. And Georgia. After having effectively conquered Chechnya and Belarus. And he’s got eyes on Estonia.
She did deep dives into Hunter Biden for being on the board of a Ukrainian energy company (as if this is some incredible smoking gun). And, shock, Donald who totally didn’t collaborate with Putin, demanded dirt on Hunter from Zelensky.
She made a huge deal of Vicky Nuland’s (some big wig at the state department under Obama) leaked phone call (leaked by who?) saying “fuck the EU” to drive a wedge within NATO.
She constantly criticized NATO “enlargement” (aka countries sick of being under Russia’s boot wanting security) and repeated the supposed handshake verbal agreement that NATO would never expand into former Soviet territory. Supporting Jill Stein to split the left vote. She gave an interview to RT (Russia Today) and clapped back at those who said it’s a Russian state propaganda news org. She didn’t tell lies, but look at what RT is peddling: “Russia good, USA BAD!” On and on, things we now know are Russian propaganda.
Where I completely broke with her was when she did some 7D chess supporting Donald — mocking anyone who said anything negative about him as having Trump Derangement Syndrome. She downplayed Donald’s Russia connections. Stopped reading for a while.
Then, on J6, I popped back in to see what she had to say. Which was “wull, ackshually, you see, it wasn’t really a coup, or even an attempted coup, because of yadda yadda yadda.”
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/01/maga-cosplayers-seize-capitol-while-cops-flounder.html:
And its not as if the protestors were hardbodied skinheads carrying bludgeons and sporting brass knuckles
No, they had guns and zip ties and nearly executed members of congress. They wanted to hang Mike Pence for not stealing the election for Donald. There’s fair evidence that if Mike Pence had gotten into the car with the Secret Service he may not have survived.
They did kill a cop. Ashli Babbit was killed because she wouldn’t turn away from assaulting Congress.
As ugly and embarrassing as the Capitol seizure was, it did not begin to rise to the level of a coup (read the Wikipedia bio of Sukarno or the review of this book focused on the coup that removed him from officeand see the contrast). There wasn’t a serious or even half-hearted effort to seize critical infrastructure, control communication (no classic suspension of news broadcasts or launch of insurrectionist pronouncements), terrorize the population through executions or other shows of force, or purges of opposed faction members. The reporting is still spotty, but it appears only the RNC, and not the DNC, was on the receiving end of a pipe bomb.
Yeah, her brain is totally cooked. Tankie.
And I don’t even need to read what she’s saying about Newsom to know what it is. “Yeah, Republicans are bad, but can you believe how bad this Democrat is?” Because that’s what she said about Kamala Harris in the primaries. Kamala sucks, and I hate picking the lesser of two evils, but she sucks a lot less than a vengeful Donald.
And Susan did the same thing with Hillary. Who, quelle suprise, Putin hates with a special passion.
well shit. thanks, that was awful
There is a spectrum. Trump/Maga/Conservatives are the worst and are actively marching us towards fascism. Corporate Democrats are the second worst. They’re not making the change we need and are prioritizing the wrong people. Progressives would be the best.
We have a 2 party system. If you spend cycles looking at #2 and saying why you shouldn’t vote for them, you hurt everyone. If the choice in this 2-party system is #1 or #2, you vote for #2, you swallow the medicine and take the pill, you tell yourself it’s a vote against #1.
Newsom wouldn’t be the best candidate, but all this psy-op crap about demonizing a Democrat front-runner is how you get the progressives to stay home and hand Trump (or his ilk) a third term. Low voter turnout for the left has to be fought. Sitting back and smugly criticizing why Democrats should do better literally killed Ukrainians, Palestinians, and American protesters. Getting people out to vote down-ballot is how we make the change we want and actually push to get a voting system that allows minority candidates to have a shot.
Alright, if they run Newson I’m actually going to vote for trump. If America is so intent on dying a slow, painful, corporate death, I want to do my small part in hastening that.
all this psy-op crap about demonizing a Democrat front-runner is how you get the progressives to stay home and hand Trump (or his ilk) a third term
No, having Newsom win the primary instead of a progressive is how you hand the fascists a third term. It’s the liberals’ turn to hold their noses and vote for a candidate who can actually win; if they refuse, the consequences are entirely their fault.
If you want to win, you have to support the progressive in the primary. That’s reality, and reality doesn’t give a shit if you like it or not.
That’s what I’m saying, I support a progressive in the primary. But I’m not willing to start painting Newsom as the devil, because if he’s the nominee, I’m not gonna want to go to people I talk to and say “Well, I know I said he’s the devil, but now you have to support him.” This isn’t hard. I don’t know why there’s so much arguing about telling people to not burn a bridge in case you’re backed into a corner to vote for the lesser of two evils.
I don’t know why there’s so much arguing about telling people to not burn a bridge in case you’re backed into a corner to vote for the lesser of two evils.
The answer to “why” is because, as 2024 proved, a neoliberal can’t win. If we’re backed into that corner, we’re already screwed and your contingency doesn’t matter.
Think of leftists like a crazy person holding a gun to America’s head (the gun being fascism). If liberals don’t capitulate to their demands, they will shoot. It doesn’t matter if it’s irrational. It doesn’t matter if it’s stupid. They already proved that they’ll do it.
As a liberal, you are not in control of the situation anymore, and your choice is to capitulate to the left’s demands (less profit for abusive plutocrats – the horror!) or eventually find yourself being marched by ICE goons to the gas chambers.
If you want to do something useful, your only job is to get other liberals to come to terms with this new political reality. Pearl-clutching about some imagined fantasy where Newsom wins the primary and isn’t fucking steamrolled in the general is absolutely delusional, counterproductive, wishful thinking wankery.
“We progressives will hold the free world hostage analogous to a gun unless you give us what we want.” Cool strategy, giving in to terroristic threats is deep in the American ethos and I am sure won’t alienate anyone and quickly bring us to a progressive utopia.
I didn’t say it was a strategy. I said it was reality, and that you delude yourself at your peril.
I don’t control how leftists vote. Neither do you. The difference is that I’m willing to accept that truth and you apparently are not.
You move left, or you finish off democracy and probably eventually die in an ICE camp. I’m not even exaggerating; those are literally your choices.
Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
Running corporate centrists is why we got two terms of Trump.
corporate centrists are winning again now people realise the horrific truth of trump and liars like yourself
which side are you really on?
the kremlin’s?
Running corporate centrists set the board up for a loss, demonizing them and getting people to stay home is how we executed the loss. It wasn’t a sure bet, and the fantasy that Harris would be as bad as Trump only exists in the minds of people NOT victimized by the gestapo and people who make money keeping progressives glued to their streams giving tips.
I see that you buy into the idea that progressives are why the Democrats keep losing to fascists and not the fact that their platform has like 80% overlap.
No, I think progressives need to push the party to the left, we need to get more progressive leadership into the DNC, and progressive results will grow the base to keep it sustainable.
But the language and outrage at this stage poisons the view of candidates, and in a general election, having people say “why would I vote Newsom when I just spent 3 years thinking what an awful corporate shill he is” makes people stay home, which hands the victory to the fascists. And there’s a lot of people out there whose entire living is outrage farming for superchats, and it moves the needle.
If it’s Ivanka vs. Newsom, you vote Newsom. This isn’t a game.
If it’s Ivanka vs the Democrats the solution is to run someone that isn’t Newsom and this is the right time to point that out.
Acting like this clown is a viable candidate two years before the election is exactly how we repeat this shit. You aren’t helping anyone by helping to create that situation.
Politics in America is basically team sports, and language matters. “Newsom is bad” and “Khanna is better” are 2 different ways of speaking that have 2 different outcomes at the ballot box. It’s time to not let outrage stack the deck against us.
A decade to learn from mistakes and you’re still preaching a failed gospel.
You say this as if it’s imagined and Newsom doesn’t already have a terrible record of fucking over Californians in favor of corporate hegemony. Consider the imminent threat AI companies pose to our resource infrastructure, and then what that would mean if Newsom were in charge.
It would mean he does crappy AI things and doesn’t upend all our international climate agreements, gleefully enable hostile foreign powers to oppress their people while gloating with AI generated videos, send the gestapo into American neighborhoods, profiteer from hostile foreign powers, pardon crimes from his friends in exchange for cash, and lots of other things. You are letting perfect get in the way of “less bad”.
“Trump Bad” has been an absolute, objectively failed strategy for over 10 years now. It’s not good enough, and if Dems want to win they will have to do significantly better than that tired old refrain (they won’t, because they are paid not to by their donors, just like Newsom).
More than one thing can be true. The DNC could have prevented our current mess by actually running primaries, not abandoning their base, not trying to court republicans and the millions of other things they do to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Progressive voters could have prevented this current mess by actually fucking voting for the tepid weak sauce DNC candidates once it was clear that we’re only getting that or literal Nazis in that election cycle. There’s plenty of blame to go around and a tragic shortage of mirrors.
Or, and hear me out, the democrats actually run a candidate that doesn’t think it’s “bad policy” to help people.
Democrats trying to guilt us into voting for them when they do everything within their power to perpetuate American imperialism. Personally, I’m done with it. I’m not going to compromise my own beliefs again for a bunch of liberal Zionist capitalists that profit off the misery of others. If they run actual leftists, I will vote for those individual leftists. But I’m not voting for some anti-trans asshole just because the dems keep pushing him
Biden could have made Israel stop committing genocide with our taxes and our weapons. Biden and Obama could have reeled in the abuses happening in ICE detention. They could have worked with Congress to pass some legislation to limit executive power, tax wealth, get Roe v Wade made law. Biden could have pushed through pending immigration cases, he pardons his own ppl but not our ppl?
Btw I voted for Harris, basically straight ticket Dem, just to keep the other assholes out. But the further we get into this regime the clearer it becomes that is no a strategy that leads to meaningful change. You do what you want, but don’t tell me that I’ve gotta swallow the shitty pill they are offering
To add, if Obama’s FBI had done more when they interviewed one of Epstein’s victims back in 2011, then Trump would’ve never been president. Feds knew about all that shit since W in the oughts, and they let it keep happening. Not saying it’s entirely Obama’s fault, by why didn’t his FBI or DOJ do something?
No one likes the 2 party system, it sucks. But in the 2 party system, that’s the deal, you vote for the Dem or it’s a +1 to the R. I don’t like it either, but demonizing the Dems at this point to get people to stay home hands it to the R’s. This rhetoric becomes dangerous. Saying you don’t like the game doesn’t mean you can sit it out without consequences.
Dems are the definition of controlled opposition:
a false protest movement in which a government or status quo authority controls both sides of a dispute. On one side lies the status quo authority, but on the other side lies those the status quo authority also control. Having the latter provides the appearance of a legitimate opposition, but in reality, it ceases all legitimate opposition. What’s left is just a shell of opposition, one that dishonestly pretends to oppose, but in fact stifles opposition.
I’m done voting for that. Dems want my vote, they can earn it by running socialists
How about we just hold a fair primary and let the people decide. We don’t need to continue anointing corporate trash like Newsom.
I really think most people know this.
Oligarchs are sinking a shit ton of money on building name recognition, but absolutely no one that would ever vote D actually likes his policy. But the only chance he has at winning is if idiots decide not to vote in the Dem primary.
A Times review of campaign finance records identified eight of San Francisco’s best-known families as being among Newsom’s most loyal and long-term contributors. Among those patrons are the Gettys, the Pritzkers and the Fishers, whose families made their respective fortunes in oil, hotels and fashion. They first backed him when he was a restaurateur and winery owner running for a seat on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1998, and have continued their support through the governor’s race. They are not Newsom’s largest donors: The families in total have given about $2 million of the $61 million that donors have contributed to his campaigns and independent committees backing those bids. But they gave while he was a relative unknown, providing crucial support to a political newcomer in the years before his campaign accounts piled high with cash from labor unions, Hollywood honchos, tech billionaires and donors up and down the state.
He’s a blue trump
vanilla trump
Are there any current progressives you’d sign off on as good news?
I’m biased as an Illinoisan but Pritzker has been fantastic. Long track record of passing legislation that helps regular working class people, and at least publicly he seems like he really cares. I hope he is truly a class traitor like Teddy Roosevelt.
AOC, Omar, Bernie of course but he’s too old for president.
It’s Karl Marx or no one.
No, if they are running in a capitalist party their loyalty will be to protecting capital
Okay, what politician/person do you see as a viable alternative?
This was informative, thank you.
