For anyone who wants a truly progressive Democratic Party, Gavin Newsom is bad news.

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    16 hours ago

    all this psy-op crap about demonizing a Democrat front-runner is how you get the progressives to stay home and hand Trump (or his ilk) a third term

    No, having Newsom win the primary instead of a progressive is how you hand the fascists a third term. It’s the liberals’ turn to hold their noses and vote for a candidate who can actually win; if they refuse, the consequences are entirely their fault.

    If you want to win, you have to support the progressive in the primary. That’s reality, and reality doesn’t give a shit if you like it or not.

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      14 hours ago

      That’s what I’m saying, I support a progressive in the primary. But I’m not willing to start painting Newsom as the devil, because if he’s the nominee, I’m not gonna want to go to people I talk to and say “Well, I know I said he’s the devil, but now you have to support him.” This isn’t hard. I don’t know why there’s so much arguing about telling people to not burn a bridge in case you’re backed into a corner to vote for the lesser of two evils.

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        13 hours ago

        I don’t know why there’s so much arguing about telling people to not burn a bridge in case you’re backed into a corner to vote for the lesser of two evils.

        The answer to “why” is because, as 2024 proved, a neoliberal can’t win. If we’re backed into that corner, we’re already screwed and your contingency doesn’t matter.

        Think of leftists like a crazy person holding a gun to America’s head (the gun being fascism). If liberals don’t capitulate to their demands, they will shoot. It doesn’t matter if it’s irrational. It doesn’t matter if it’s stupid. They already proved that they’ll do it.

        As a liberal, you are not in control of the situation anymore, and your choice is to capitulate to the left’s demands (less profit for abusive plutocrats – the horror!) or eventually find yourself being marched by ICE goons to the gas chambers.

        If you want to do something useful, your only job is to get other liberals to come to terms with this new political reality. Pearl-clutching about some imagined fantasy where Newsom wins the primary and isn’t fucking steamrolled in the general is absolutely delusional, counterproductive, wishful thinking wankery.

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          12 hours ago

          “We progressives will hold the free world hostage analogous to a gun unless you give us what we want.” Cool strategy, giving in to terroristic threats is deep in the American ethos and I am sure won’t alienate anyone and quickly bring us to a progressive utopia.

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            9 hours ago

            I didn’t say it was a strategy. I said it was reality, and that you delude yourself at your peril.

            I don’t control how leftists vote. Neither do you. The difference is that I’m willing to accept that truth and you apparently are not.

            You move left, or you finish off democracy and probably eventually die in an ICE camp. I’m not even exaggerating; those are literally your choices.

            Don’t say I didn’t warn you.