If you spend all of part 1 poisoning the well on how terrible Newsom is, a lot of people will simply stay home if he’s the nominee when it gets to 2. I hope 1 happens. If it doesn’t, I hope all this rhetoric doesn’t make 2 fail. This dangerous purity testing is what leads people to stay home instead of voting for “less bad.” Even the suggestion of “be ready to vote for Newsom as a last resort” is too much for a lot of people, and THAT is how we get more Trump. This absurd copium fantasy that Harris/Newsom wouldn’t be better than Trump is just a way for angry people to sustain the outrage that warms them at night, but real people across the planet are hurting.
People are hurting because centrism prevents us from selecting better candidates in what is already essentially a uniparty, far-right authoritarian system. You strike me as someone young so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here that you aren’t just trolling or blue maga.
Look into what happens when actual progressive challengers arise and attempt to unseat incumbent corporate dems. All of the sudden, Dems become quite competent and effective in going to war politically, and will dump millions or even 10s of millions in the primary to ensure the progressive is defeated. This results in people like Henry Cuellar getting elected thanks to backers like Pelosi, and Cuellar votes with Trump 95% of the time. The obvious conclusion to draw here is that Dems are not in fact opposed to fascism, rather they partake in kabuki theatre to give the appearance of opposition while in reality they facilitate the corporate and oligarch takeover.
You yourself claim we need to push for progressives in the primaries. Part of that push must be making it absolutely clear that corporate dems do not represent the people, and are not welcome to run for office. One of the worst aspects of dems and part of what makes them so unlikeable is their smug attitude that we will be forced to vote for them with no alternative. Well, the authoritarian rule of the Trump regime is the alternative. Some of us have lived through almost 40 years of Dems reneging on “day 1 promises,” constantly finding reasons not to deliver for the people (senate parliamentarian won’t let us, Repugs will be mad and yell at us, etc). Enough is enough. If Dems refuse to deliver, then it is well within the people’s rights to refuse to vote for them. If there is one key learning from this era of the grifter, it’s that consequences matter, and without them we will be trampled. What should be the consequences for Dems continual betrayal of their voters interests?
I have been a progressive my whole adult life, I canvassed for Bernie, I’ve been doing this for longer than many people on this platform have been able to vote. I worked for a labor union (SEIU Local 1000 in CA) and have spent countless hours and dollars promoting progressive causes. I was marching against the Iraq war and have never stopped.
The majority of my adult life has been under the oppressive thumb of Republicans because progressives and liberals will do anything to justify not getting out and voting for the person with a D in front of their name.
This isn’t theory, this is real experience. Already digging “your” (not you, just the general opposition to this thought) heels in and declaring that if a progressive doesn’t win we can’t support the winning democrat is so self-defeating it makes me wonder if much of the online progressive left are Russian ops. All I’m saying is “this may be the guy, why turn him into the microblog-headline enemy” now when we NEED people to get out and go to the polls when the chips are down if he’s the guy.
Or not, whatever, there comes a point where it gets too depressing watching progressives angrily take the high road to dystopia. I’m so tired of arguing with people whose side I’m on. I never get yelled at by conservatives, even those I disagree with to their face. A progressive will accuse me of being a fascist within the first 10 minutes of meeting me. The progressive cause is self-defeating, and it’s sad to watch.
There’s a flow here.
If you spend all of part 1 poisoning the well on how terrible Newsom is, a lot of people will simply stay home if he’s the nominee when it gets to 2. I hope 1 happens. If it doesn’t, I hope all this rhetoric doesn’t make 2 fail. This dangerous purity testing is what leads people to stay home instead of voting for “less bad.” Even the suggestion of “be ready to vote for Newsom as a last resort” is too much for a lot of people, and THAT is how we get more Trump. This absurd copium fantasy that Harris/Newsom wouldn’t be better than Trump is just a way for angry people to sustain the outrage that warms them at night, but real people across the planet are hurting.
People are hurting because centrism prevents us from selecting better candidates in what is already essentially a uniparty, far-right authoritarian system. You strike me as someone young so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here that you aren’t just trolling or blue maga.
Look into what happens when actual progressive challengers arise and attempt to unseat incumbent corporate dems. All of the sudden, Dems become quite competent and effective in going to war politically, and will dump millions or even 10s of millions in the primary to ensure the progressive is defeated. This results in people like Henry Cuellar getting elected thanks to backers like Pelosi, and Cuellar votes with Trump 95% of the time. The obvious conclusion to draw here is that Dems are not in fact opposed to fascism, rather they partake in kabuki theatre to give the appearance of opposition while in reality they facilitate the corporate and oligarch takeover.
You yourself claim we need to push for progressives in the primaries. Part of that push must be making it absolutely clear that corporate dems do not represent the people, and are not welcome to run for office. One of the worst aspects of dems and part of what makes them so unlikeable is their smug attitude that we will be forced to vote for them with no alternative. Well, the authoritarian rule of the Trump regime is the alternative. Some of us have lived through almost 40 years of Dems reneging on “day 1 promises,” constantly finding reasons not to deliver for the people (senate parliamentarian won’t let us, Repugs will be mad and yell at us, etc). Enough is enough. If Dems refuse to deliver, then it is well within the people’s rights to refuse to vote for them. If there is one key learning from this era of the grifter, it’s that consequences matter, and without them we will be trampled. What should be the consequences for Dems continual betrayal of their voters interests?
This isn’t theory, this is real experience. Already digging “your” (not you, just the general opposition to this thought) heels in and declaring that if a progressive doesn’t win we can’t support the winning democrat is so self-defeating it makes me wonder if much of the online progressive left are Russian ops. All I’m saying is “this may be the guy, why turn him into the microblog-headline enemy” now when we NEED people to get out and go to the polls when the chips are down if he’s the guy.
Or not, whatever, there comes a point where it gets too depressing watching progressives angrily take the high road to dystopia. I’m so tired of arguing with people whose side I’m on. I never get yelled at by conservatives, even those I disagree with to their face. A progressive will accuse me of being a fascist within the first 10 minutes of meeting me. The progressive cause is self-defeating, and it’s sad to watch.