• pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksM
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    This isn’t small timers, it’s corporations buying up all of the housing, building only “luxury” apartments and price fixing the fuck out of the rent.

    Then they spout “Trickle Down Housing” where the “luxury” apartments will be available in 30 years.

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      The guy said “these houses, …each” so he could own the whole area and jack up the rents, not be a small timer. But yeah, it’s not the person renting out Grandma’s old place to help pay for her nursing home.

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      Landlords don’t care if your rent is sustainable for you in the long term. They have nothing to lose if at one point you can’t afford it anymore, someone else will.

      Banks on the other hand care very much if you’ll be able to pay your loan in full. Even with the house as collateral, it’s much better for them if you just paid your loan instead of them having to deal with all that.

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        “they get the house if you don’t pay” really isn’t so great after you’ve look at what they actually get for those houses.

        Generally, people don’t get foreclosed on when their house looks super fancy and well maintained.

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          Also debt is an asset for banks. Having people in debt for 30 years is better than having people in debt for 10 years and then selling their house.

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      If something were to happen, and you couldn’t make rent, you might get evicted, which would be inconvenient.

      If something were to happen, and you couldn’t make the mortgage, the bank might lose money, which is unconscionable.

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    A) This is a hoax account

    B) You can still get cheaper housing if you don’t live in the whitest, red-lined-ass, suburban enclaves in your state

    C) Even then, it doesn’t matter, because landlords primarily benefit from very low borrowing costs rather than low housing costs. A $300k house was still functionally unaffordable to anyone earning $45k/year, unless your credit score got you one of those sweet sub-3% ZIRP era loans. Renting was effectively paying a vig to a guy with a better interest rate than you.

    D) ZIRP also flooded the market with the excess cash that made $300k basic bitch housing possible. And then turned those $300k homes into $600k homes 15 years later.

    E) Build Public Housing

    F) And municipal mass transit, so you don’t have to sit in traffic for a hour every day

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    This is the, “If I don’t do it, someone else will,” argument. Which is true.

    There is always all least one other ass hole out there.

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      Exactly why no social ism works. Capitalism, communism, Georgism, liberalism, Marxism, anarchism, socialism. They’re mostly all good on paper but awful when put into effect because they don’t factor human nature. So long as there is the same trait within that led to our wild success as species number 1, we can never have good ideas play out how they were thought to. Instead we have we have those always looking for advantage to be number 1 of the number 1s. Psychopaths love power and personal security.

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        what is “the same trait within that led to our wild success as species number 1”?

        i’m think the thing that made the difference was helping the “less fit” so that they could keep and transfer knowledge, do thinking and make tools

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        Arthur C. Clarke said something along the lines of “communism could’ve worked if only they had microchips” meaning that communism had problems with humans. An algorithmic socialism that requires everything to be fair is the only way to do it.

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          Wouldn’t surprise me if that is how future civilizations (assuming we love that long) handle their administration. Laws are written algorithmically, almost like computer code, and simply translated for laymen to interpret. Maybe with an integrated parser service available to everyone that is capable of answering queries based on the strict programmed definitions it references.

          This still invites the very likely possibility of one’s interpretation of a law differing from the intent, but that is already the case today, with the bigger problem being that there are often major disagreements at an institutional level where there should ideally be no uncertainty.

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    im just waiting on 3d printed houses to become cheaper (than it already is now) and mainstream.

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      Those can be an alternative, but aren’t great for longevity. They’re almost always essentially entirely concrete, which means if you want to get to, say, a pipe in the wall, be ready to smash through rock and then have to fill in a vertical hole in the wall with concrete again. This weakens structural integrity over time any time you’ve gotta do repairs, and makes them more expensive to do.

      The more sane alternative for most people will be prefab housing, where either the entire house is sent in as either a single prefab unit, or a unit for each room that’s simply connected and stacked, or where just each wall is a pre-made unit that’s then assembled. The latter has become much more common in construction already, and the former is growing market share rapidly right now, to the point you can, right now, literally order a prefab house from Amazon.

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        You mean manufactured or mobile homes? They’re built like shit by companies that mostly just take advantage of people knowing it’s all they can afford. It’s pretty much impossible to return the house once it’s delivered, and getting HUD to enforce standards takes years of constant work.

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        while theyre typically worse for repair if you need an immediate one, theyre significantly better when it comes to insulation, thus leading to lower hvac costs, in particularly cold or hot regions.

        the 3d printing process itself also doesnt dictate that the entire build has to be concrete. its just there to minimize the cost of production in the spots that needs it.

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        As someone who lives in a prefab, I really have to disagree with them being the answer. Unless they stop using vinyl-on-gypsum and the cheapest materials possible…

        Water damage is a major issue in these kinds of homes. They’re not made with actual wood or conventional building materials, and fall apart so easily. Replacement parts are not standard, making it extra costly and difficult to repair.

        Adding, when I walk into an actual house, I can feel the difference as I walk through.

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    Who rents that for 72’000 $ per year? At that point you are throwing away your money and most definitely have enough to actually buy a home.

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      have you seen how this works? i know this is a parody post but it’s real. Rent starts “ok” then the “market” (which is just this guy with 6 props) says rent can be higher. So it bumps. Then inflation. Then covid. Then “market” again.

      While the owner know how his tenants salary is tracking, keeping sure to raise the rent by enough to keep him there but not so much he bails.

      it’s not the renters fault they need a place, even if one says “yeah but they overspent.” Not initially, no. Maybe some. Tough nuts. But often it’s not initially overspending.

      Then again capitalism itself relies on and markets for people thinking they “need” more than they do; the owner of the props is counting on it.

      Landlords are scum and deserve nothing.

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      Who rents that for 72’000 $ per year?

      Andrew Cuomo bragged about renting for $96k/year

      At that point you are throwing away your money and most definitely have enough to actually buy a home.

      You don’t need a 20% down payment to rent a home. That’s the big hurdle, as housing prices have ballooned

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        Trying to save up 20% was the biggest mistake of my home buying experience.

        My whole fucking life my parents insisted that you had to have 20% down, so that’s what I aimed for. Both my siblings just YOLOed and bought houses between 5-10% down, but I had a better paying job, so continued to save. As I saved, the cost of housing out grew my rate of savings.

        When I finally did get a mortgage I only put 15% down and it was at that point I realized that the only thing the 20% down would do for me was save me something like .75% for the first 5-8 years. That is still a lot of money, but compared to just buying a house at $175,000 10 years ago and selling it for double when I ended up moving anyway–it’s nothing.

        The whole system is fucked. There’s no reason only those making 6 figures or more should be the only ones with the privilege of trying to own the place you live someday. There’s no reason a company should own a place to live. There’s no reason minimum wage shouldn’t cover a reasonable lifestyle for a family. There’s no reason housing in general shouldn’t be available to everyone.

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          I had to put 30% down for a condo. It just depends on the bank and what you’re buying

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        Pre covid, I was pre approved for a home. I had lied and told them I had $3K for a down payment.

        I couldn’t save three grand. Rent was 40% my income, as was childcare. I made $20/hr in a “grown up” job, the type of work my uncles and aunts and parents bought houses with.

        The gorgeous $167K dollar house (2016) who’s only down side was it was 45mins from work, … is now worth nearly $600K. I’m jealous of whoever ended up buying it that year.

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          Would have been nice to own, but a bitch to pay property tax on.

          That’s the dagger in the back for gentrification. You live in an affordable area. Then someone builds a mega-plex next door and the municipal tax authority says your bungalow is the same value as a McMansion in the 'burbs.

          Nobody will actually buy your house from you for $600k. They’ll buy it for maybe $250k if you’re lucky. Or they’ll wait… knowing the 3x tax price will put you into foreclosure with the next market downturn.

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        You don’t need to put 20% down to buy a home, either.

        Homebuyers can get a conventional mortgage for 5% down (technically as low as 3% down, but that would limit their options for lenders and require a much better credit score) or an FHA loan for as low as 3.5% down.

        There are USDA loans that require 0% down, though they have income maximums and for homes in rural areas. I read that they also have square footage maximums (1800 square feet?), but the USDA property requirements doc I read didn’t list them.

        For veterans, VA loans can also be 0% down.

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          Homebuyers can get a conventional mortgage for 5% down (technically as low as 3% down, but that would limit their options for lenders and require a much better credit score) or an FHA loan for as low as 3.5% down.

          Only if they are eligible for that line of credit. Since the collapse of the Subprime Mortgage market in '08, it has been significantly more difficult for younger and lower income people to access these more expensive lines of credit.

          There are USDA loans that require 0% down, though they have income maximums and for homes in rural areas.

          Sure. But, again, a very limited resource with very particular regulatory restraints that won’t help a middle income family in most neighborhoods where people actually live.

          For veterans, VA loans can also be 0% down.

          Great news for all the serial killers down at Fort Bragg