• epicthundercat@lemmy.worldOP
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    We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them. We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there. Thats my take.

    People are being left to fill in the gaps and that causes mass confusion and makes people question real evidence. Its not okay

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        Didn’t all of this start with the ideological principle that a government by the people would inherently serve the people? So the groups of interest don’t diverge between public and government, in theory.

        The FBI, CIA, NSA, … have been obvious contradictions to that claim well before Trump. I mean… shit, for starters, everyone knows about the CIA testing their truth serum on American coffee shop customers.

        Seems that, for a while now, the reality has been more like that of two separate interest groups: government and public. Where did things start to diverge from the original intent?

        I understand that governments are sometimes faced with need to act against public interest for the sake of public interest. For example, keeping the development of the atomic bomb a secret was vital to American goals at the time — despite the fact that many Americans would have probably preferred to have a much deeper discussion on the matter. Whether or not secrecy was the right call, it’s clear that not having it kept secret risked millions more American lives in a war… hence the conflict.

        But that doesn’t seem to be the distinction here. For decades, the US government has been allowed to act in the interest of the government. Better surveillance, more lobbying and dark money, using economic and military influence to deter successful socialism in foreign states, the constant propaganda (especially regarding communism), … these are the behaviors of self-preservation, particularly for the government. How’d that start?

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      I don’t disagree at all. The process we’re forced to go through because we seem to be the only ones that care is maddening

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        Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion. The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time… and I have never been one of those tinfoil hat types. You can even go back and think about the Tuskegee experiment, MKUltra ect… among others… Its messed up how much they view us as manipulatable pawns… and this isnt to say other Governments dont engage in similar crap, too but ours is pretty dang experienced in the art of deception now.

        P.S. MK Ultra feels cheesy to bring up at all due to the stigma but it happened and its messed up but its an example of purposeful manipulation.