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    The records seem to indicate it was used as part of the island’s reverse osmosis water treatment system. There I saved you a click.

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      It may not be for dissolving bodies. But since the timing is suspect and indicative of some coverup, I would guess probably destroying trace DNA evidences.

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      I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication). Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”

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              Non sequitir.

              The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift), maybe.

              However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).

              This is called denying the antecedent. In symbolic terms:

              Conditional: p → q
              Inverse: ¬p → ¬q

              (p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is False.

              If you’re going to make claims on the Internet, it’s worth learning at least a little propositional logic.

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          Didn’t realize there were tall ibc totes, I thought they were all 1000L/265gal

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            Which is ~3.5 foot-bathtubs or 7 MFM…Mega-Foot-Mugs or 35panda-feet or 35 pizza ft ~65watermelons per apple feet. I asked Mr Chat for these actual units, so likely to be all wrong. Things were looking credible until pizza ft. Darn!

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        We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them. We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there. Thats my take.

        People are being left to fill in the gaps and that causes mass confusion and makes people question real evidence. Its not okay

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            Didn’t all of this start with the ideological principle that a government by the people would inherently serve the people? So the groups of interest don’t diverge between public and government, in theory.

            The FBI, CIA, NSA, … have been obvious contradictions to that claim well before Trump. I mean… shit, for starters, everyone knows about the CIA testing their truth serum on American coffee shop customers.

            Seems that, for a while now, the reality has been more like that of two separate interest groups: government and public. Where did things start to diverge from the original intent?

            I understand that governments are sometimes faced with need to act against public interest for the sake of public interest. For example, keeping the development of the atomic bomb a secret was vital to American goals at the time — despite the fact that many Americans would have probably preferred to have a much deeper discussion on the matter. Whether or not secrecy was the right call, it’s clear that not having it kept secret risked millions more American lives in a war… hence the conflict.

            But that doesn’t seem to be the distinction here. For decades, the US government has been allowed to act in the interest of the government. Better surveillance, more lobbying and dark money, using economic and military influence to deter successful socialism in foreign states, the constant propaganda (especially regarding communism), … these are the behaviors of self-preservation, particularly for the government. How’d that start?

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          I don’t disagree at all. The process we’re forced to go through because we seem to be the only ones that care is maddening

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            Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion. The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time… and I have never been one of those tinfoil hat types. You can even go back and think about the Tuskegee experiment, MKUltra ect… among others… Its messed up how much they view us as manipulatable pawns… and this isnt to say other Governments dont engage in similar crap, too but ours is pretty dang experienced in the art of deception now.

            P.S. MK Ultra feels cheesy to bring up at all due to the stigma but it happened and its messed up but its an example of purposeful manipulation.

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        Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.

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        I think it’d be a shit way to get rid of bodies unless maybe if it was just bones. Fat and soft tissue would probably need a strong base like sodium hydroxide to break down - which is why it’s used for making soap

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          Nitric acid would be better. But apparently sulfuric acid and highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide works well. Look up piranha solution.

          But on an island, I would think a large barrel, concrete, and some very deep water would be sufficient.

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            i was going to say, just get some aqua regia. unfortunately i fat fingered my google and accidentally searched for acid that dissolves god and i don’t think lysergic acid is great for cleaning up evidence

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            If anyone wants to see this in action, one of the Mythbusters Breaking Bad specials test out the bathtub dissolving thing from season 1. In the show they use hydrofluoric acid, but that doesn’t work and they move to harder stuff. They don’t actually say it’s piranha solution, cause Discovery probably wouldn’t wanna let them teach people how to get rid of bodies, but they say sulfuric acid and something else “with a lot of oxygen” wink wink

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            If there was a massive order for hydrogen peroxide I’d believe piranha solution was used for these purposes

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      It’s also, like not even that much for this kind of janitorial purpose. To add to that, while it sounds insidious, sulphuric acid isn’t the nefarious thing it sounds like.

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          Do you mind if your second thought goes to scrubbing my dishes? I’ll pay it in b12 or whatever brains like

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        Some people said when it’s mixed with other things it becomes quite potent. I’m not gonna Google it.

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          Pretty much everything can become quite potent when mixed with other things. There are so many better ways to dispose of bodies than having acid delivered to an island.

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          It makes chlorine gas when mixed with bleach.

          Point is buying something for your pool in bulk isn’t really a red flag, especially on an island that doesn’t have a pool supply store.

          I’m certainly not trying to defend Epstein or anything, but this isn’t the worrysome thing.

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            As in mix to make something nefarious. To dissolve things.

            And if you wanted to do something nefarious, you’d try to hide it as something that can be explained away. You know, as pool supplies.

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                You’re right criminals would never think to hide their activities. That’s crazy talk. Now let’s talk about that weirdly profitable car wash.

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                  What other proof do you have that they were dissolving bodies? Because that’s the implication in the “scariness” of sulfuric acid, right?

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        It prevents calcium carbonate buildup on the RO membrane. The acid is added to the incoming sea water to keep it slightly acidic.

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        Might depend on the source water. The article mentions it’s used for water softening so if you’re starting with water that has low mineral content maybe it’s an unnecessary step.

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      I heard someone say on a podcast that 330 gallons would last about 15 years. I haven’t fact checked that and AI wouldn’t touch it, lol.

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        I think that would very much depend on the size of the system. If you’re processing a gallon of water a day that’s probably true, but if you’re doing like 60 gallons a day probably not so much. It sounds like he had a reverse osmosis plant in the island that likely supplied all the water in the island so probably even for things like showers and maybe even swimming pools (I assume he had a swimming pool, it sounds right for a rich douchebag like him).

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      I’m guessing similar shots of the orange choad were the only things his team of buffoons managed to not release in the “redactions” they’ve been doing

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    Sulphuric acid is not the clean and easy method to dissolve a body as you might think and Hollywood might suggest.

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      I second this. Sulfuric acid was my entire job for eleven years. It would definitely do the job, but it’s not as simple as dropping a body into a drum with it. You’d need a lot more of it, heat, pumps for a circulation system, filtration for the parts that it won’t eat through right away (hair and fingernails, possibly teeth). There are much more efficient ways to get rid of a body. Especially on an island.

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    Worse, I hear they surrounded the island with dihydrogen monoxide, which kills 300,000 worldwide every year by inhalation.

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      “We stand here today in praise and mourning at the loss of our dear friend the dihydrogen monoxide water joke. It was a good joke. A faithful joke. Always ready for a quick chuckle. A true best friend to the nerd in need. May it rest in peace.”

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      I heard that people that have tried it once are addicted for life. If they ever try to stop consuming dihydrogen monoxide, they will die.