How can it be wrong? Do you think there are more leftists than republicans? Or do you deny the math advantage of switchers vs those who might stay home?
There are multiple reasons candidates fail. Harris failed largely because voters didn’t know her and they saw her as a stand in for Biden, who they were angry with. Also she had sort of a flailing campaign strategy. And being a black woman never helps in the US.
I’m not arguing democrats or leftists should moderate their positions. My politics are probably not too different from yours. But the first step to solving the problem is understanding it. And this theory that there are 100 million sleeping American communists waiting to be unleashed doesn’t have any evidence behind it. So just running someone further left is not a cheat code for winning elections. There is a lot more to beating fascism than that.
Well, as an example, I think something like socialized healthcare could appeal to the majority of Americans. The only reason Democrats don’t press the issue is because they get money from health insurance companies.
I think this goes for many issues seen as “leftist”. Rather than embracing the left, democrats have spent decades moving closer to the middle. This is the reason they’ve been losing. Pushing candidates like Hillary and Harris that give up ground to the right.
I think they need to embrace the left, and work to convince middle America that their policies are good for everyone.
Biden went left. This is just objectively true. He literally just adopted the progressive policy positions his opponents had in exchange for them becoming surrogates.
Harris went right. And she lost.
Now Biden didn’t govern to the left. And that also clearly hurt him/ Kamala in 2024. But he objectively campaigned to court progressives.
Biden went left of Clinton’s 2020 positions. It was all a lie.
Is there any actual examples of Harris going right of Biden?
Well, she said she wouldn’t change anything from how he did things. Then announced she would appoint a republican to her cabinet, which was further to the right than biden.
He attempted all of those things. The student loans were blocked by Republicans and courts on 3 separate occasions, so he only managed to forgive $183Bn of student loans.
The other two things were fillibustered by Republicans in the senate which at its highest DNC was a 51:49 w/ DNC Speakerwith 4 IND and before that a 49:51 w/ GOP speaker.
The only way to obtain real progress is to remove Republicans down to less than 40 like we breifly achieved 16 years ago for 2 months in order to pass medicaid expansion, would have passed the public option if not for IND Leiberman.
The other two things were fillibustered by Republicans in the senate which at its highest was a 51:49
It would take 50 to end the filibuster forever. Democrats preferred to keep it around so you would have an excuse. After all, they didn’t need to end the filibuster to accomplish their only policy goal of leveling Gaza.
Her policy stances were left of Biden but the average person doesn’t know jack shit about policy and instead only know she had the Chenneys on stage with her and George W’s endorsement.
Her unrealized gains tax on over a million alone had the potential to save this country, since billionaires and multimillionaires generally gain untaxed income by leveraging their stocks with longterm collateral loans.
The copium is real. I suppose some banjos are more average than others.
You can live in a delusional reality of your own creation, but you lost this one in October of 24. Harris was shit, she ran to the right, it cost us the election and and handed the country to fascism.
It’s what we said would happen before it happened. Its what we said was happening while it was happening. And, begrudgingly, we’ve been able to drag the majority perspective to understand the consequences of not pressuring Harris to shift left, of not shamelessly putting yourself behind candidates before they come to get your vote
The arguments I’ve been making have won. The Karen’s of the world get it now. The CNN voters get it now. They under stand how they were wrong for how they approached this in 24.
And I’ll drag you too, just like I have all the others. It’s been quite the journey, and I don’t mind you as comrade.
“Us”? I’ve never seen you on the side that opposes the GOP. You do nothing but shit on Democrats full time. I wouldn’t be surprised if you kept an AI poster of Trump up on your wall.
Yes, the same election year of 2020 gave Biden the most votes in history, and Trump the second most votes in history behind him. Beating the pervious record holder, Obama.
Kamala 2024 would have knocked Trump 2020 down to 3rd, but Trump 2024 retained 2nd place under Biden 2020. So it goes Biden 2020, Trump 2024, Kamala 2024, Trump 2020.
Trump has the 2nd and 4th most votes in history. We are fucked.
And biden still only barely beat trump. After courting the left by running on policies the left likes such as raising the minimum wage, childcare, family leave, revisiting the public option, rescheduling cannabis and so on.
Then he got into office and made it crystal clear that he wasn’t going to do any of that because his only priority was making sure netanyahu got whatever he wanted. He betrayed anyone on the left who voted for him.
But congress got in his waaaay! They didn’t get in his way when he broke the Leahy law to sell weapons for genocide. Funny how the excuses evaporate when it’s the only thing any centrist has ever wanted.
Totally with a but, look at the percentage of people voting. Recent elections have had turn out percentages the US hasn’t seen since the 60s as well. The records are an indication of population growth, but they are also an indication of more people voting by percentage than do typically, to be fair.
I think Harris’s failure should be the clue that this isn’t right. You’re not going to win by courting conservatives
She doubled-down on supporting Israel recently.
You know, as a “fuck you” to all her supporters.
Oh, her remaining supporters love that shit.
How can it be wrong? Do you think there are more leftists than republicans? Or do you deny the math advantage of switchers vs those who might stay home?
There are multiple reasons candidates fail. Harris failed largely because voters didn’t know her and they saw her as a stand in for Biden, who they were angry with. Also she had sort of a flailing campaign strategy. And being a black woman never helps in the US.
I’m not arguing democrats or leftists should moderate their positions. My politics are probably not too different from yours. But the first step to solving the problem is understanding it. And this theory that there are 100 million sleeping American communists waiting to be unleashed doesn’t have any evidence behind it. So just running someone further left is not a cheat code for winning elections. There is a lot more to beating fascism than that.
You’re chasing people who hate you and abandoning voters to do it. Stop.
But there’s a lot moooooooore fascists! We have to be just like them to win! That always works!!!
Well, as an example, I think something like socialized healthcare could appeal to the majority of Americans. The only reason Democrats don’t press the issue is because they get money from health insurance companies.
I think this goes for many issues seen as “leftist”. Rather than embracing the left, democrats have spent decades moving closer to the middle. This is the reason they’ve been losing. Pushing candidates like Hillary and Harris that give up ground to the right.
I think they need to embrace the left, and work to convince middle America that their policies are good for everyone.
Biden over there having got more votes than anyone in history like
Either we are saying Biden went farther left, or is a direct conflict to this statement
Biden went left. This is just objectively true. He literally just adopted the progressive policy positions his opponents had in exchange for them becoming surrogates.
Harris went right. And she lost.
Now Biden didn’t govern to the left. And that also clearly hurt him/ Kamala in 2024. But he objectively campaigned to court progressives.
Please tell me how Biden went left? He clicked resume on the shit from Obamas presidency.
Biden went left of Trump, that’s all. Which Harris was left of as well.
Is there any actual examples of Harris going right of Biden?
Biden went left of Clinton’s 2020 positions. It was all a lie.
Well, she said she wouldn’t change anything from how he did things. Then announced she would appoint a republican to her cabinet, which was further to the right than biden.
He ran on forgiving student loans, creating a public option, and codifying roe v wade
Once he was in office he promptly forgot about all of them.
He attempted all of those things. The student loans were blocked by Republicans and courts on 3 separate occasions, so he only managed to forgive $183Bn of student loans.
The other two things were fillibustered by Republicans in the senate which at its highest DNC was a 51:49 w/ DNC Speakerwith 4 IND and before that a 49:51 w/ GOP speaker.
The only way to obtain real progress is to remove Republicans down to less than 40 like we breifly achieved 16 years ago for 2 months in order to pass medicaid expansion, would have passed the public option if not for IND Leiberman.
He pretended to.
It would take 50 to end the filibuster forever. Democrats preferred to keep it around so you would have an excuse. After all, they didn’t need to end the filibuster to accomplish their only policy goal of leveling Gaza.
It’s one thing to ignore 183 Billion USD, it’s another to intentionally exclude it from the quote.
Tell me how the dow is doing, Ms. Bondi.
Her policy stances were left of Biden but the average person doesn’t know jack shit about policy and instead only know she had the Chenneys on stage with her and George W’s endorsement.
No, they weren’t, but the average banjo doesn’t know this.
And to be clear, were talking about the manner in which a candidate campaigns.
Her unrealized gains tax on over a million alone had the potential to save this country, since billionaires and multimillionaires generally gain untaxed income by leveraging their stocks with longterm collateral loans.
The copium is real. I suppose some banjos are more average than others.
You can live in a delusional reality of your own creation, but you lost this one in October of 24. Harris was shit, she ran to the right, it cost us the election and and handed the country to fascism.
It’s what we said would happen before it happened. Its what we said was happening while it was happening. And, begrudgingly, we’ve been able to drag the majority perspective to understand the consequences of not pressuring Harris to shift left, of not shamelessly putting yourself behind candidates before they come to get your vote
The arguments I’ve been making have won. The Karen’s of the world get it now. The CNN voters get it now. They under stand how they were wrong for how they approached this in 24.
And I’ll drag you too, just like I have all the others. It’s been quite the journey, and I don’t mind you as comrade.
“Us”? I’ve never seen you on the side that opposes the GOP. You do nothing but shit on Democrats full time. I wouldn’t be surprised if you kept an AI poster of Trump up on your wall.
I think that had more to do with COVID and Trump, but who knows. Anyway, 4 years later they lost.
Who got the second most votes in history? I’ll give you a hint, it was his opponent. That’s how fucked the US is.
Not in the same election year, Trump got 74 million in 2020. After Biden was gone Trump got 77 million in 2024. Harris got 75 million in 2024.
Yes, the same election year of 2020 gave Biden the most votes in history, and Trump the second most votes in history behind him. Beating the pervious record holder, Obama.
Kamala 2024 would have knocked Trump 2020 down to 3rd, but Trump 2024 retained 2nd place under Biden 2020. So it goes Biden 2020, Trump 2024, Kamala 2024, Trump 2020.
Trump has the 2nd and 4th most votes in history. We are fucked.
2020 was unprecedented. You can’t compare that to anything.
And biden still only barely beat trump. After courting the left by running on policies the left likes such as raising the minimum wage, childcare, family leave, revisiting the public option, rescheduling cannabis and so on.
Then he got into office and made it crystal clear that he wasn’t going to do any of that because his only priority was making sure netanyahu got whatever he wanted. He betrayed anyone on the left who voted for him.
But congress got in his waaaay! They didn’t get in his way when he broke the Leahy law to sell weapons for genocide. Funny how the excuses evaporate when it’s the only thing any centrist has ever wanted.
Yeah population goes up. That’s probably true for most presidential elections.
Totally with a but, look at the percentage of people voting. Recent elections have had turn out percentages the US hasn’t seen since the 60s as well. The records are an indication of population growth, but they are also an indication of more people voting by percentage than do typically, to be fair.