• Wilco@lemmy.zip
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    Tuna is just the dish, tuna on a plate.

    Tuna Fish is actually Tuna Salad. You would order a tuna fish sandwich (tuna salad), but you would not go to a restaurant and say “I will have the tuna fish” because that is just tuna.

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      If I want the tuna salad, I’ll order tuna salad.

      Also if I’m walking up to a sandwich shop or a restaurant that serves tuna steaks on a grill or something of the sort and say “I’ll have the tuna” the assumption is, they know I what I mean (variance for multiple dishes not included).

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    “Tuna fish” is a phase used primarily for canned tuna, but not for the live fish or things like tuna steak. It’s because when canned tuna was created in the US in the early 1900’s people who were not right next to the sea (like the majority of the US) did not know what “tuna” was. Firstly, the word is a of Spanish origin and secondly, its a salt water only fish. So in order to sell this to middle America, which was where most of the consumers were at the time but was also made up of people who have never seen the ocean, they added the word “fish” to show like other tinned fish that was commonly purchased: codfish, bluefish, and whitefish, this is also a fish and that is what you can expect when you open this can.

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    Well, where I live, Tuna is also a cactus. Prickly pear is often called tuna. So yeah, tuna (fish) and tuna (fruit) can need disambiguation.

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    A Czech reporter’s name is Jan Tuna. Please keep saying “tuna fish” for his* sake.

    * he/him, Jan is a common male name here derived from John, the female counterpart is Jana

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      5 hours ago

      “hey Jan, I’m watching some peertube chef and he’s talking about ‘bluefin tuna’! Did you used to be punk in college?”

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    There’s no one single reason, but the top theories:

    1. Tuna oil was a thing before “tuna fish”. Yes, people could have said “tuna” but they didn’t. That’s language for you. People say “ATM machine” and “PIN number”, too.
    2. “Tuna fish” has a slightly sing-song pattern to the stressed/unstressed syllables that probably contributed
    3. For whatever reason, “tuna fish” tends to refer to canned tuna, whereas “tuna” can include fresh (or frozen) tuna.

    It’s… just how language evolves.

    I think, however, that “tuna fish” is slowly dying out in favour of just “tuna”. As a 50 year old, anecdotally I have seen the usage decrease in my lifetime.

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      I agree with 3. That’s exactly how my head cannon works and from what I can tell, others around me.

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    Colloquially tuna fish refers to the shredded salt brined tins of fish like this:

    Which I do think is worth distinguishing from the actual whole pieces of tuna

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      Which I do think is worth distinguishing from the actual whole pieces of tuna

      So a tuna can…? Canned Tuna? Canned Fish?

      “Tuna Fish” is still redundant and doesn’t actually address the can

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        Yes, language evolves haphazardly and often doesn’t make literal sense.

        Alright, that’s my 2 cents. I’ll catch you on the flipside.

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        I don’t disagree with you but I don’t control American English. I imagine both head cheese and sweetbreads would also upset you

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          I don’t control American English

          Maybe try harder. Be the change you want to see in the world. I don’t necessarily believe in you but I’m sure someone does! And in the end that’s all the motivation you need.

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        Look, Americans are genetically dumb as we all know, but I don’t think Tuna Fish is necessarily a consequence of that affliction in particular. It’s like saying “Sail Fish”, “Sail” is not a fish, it is the canvas you put on boat masts, and “Tuna Fish” is like that I think. It’s a type of fish, of the tuna kind. That said, before I go just let me take another opportunity to state that Americans are genetically dumb as we all know.

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            Hahaha eugenics? Have you considered not skipping school and stop drinking lead paint? First of all it’s a fucking joke, second of all, there was no mention of eugenics, thirdly, how do you think intelligence works? Magic?

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              I know this is a bad troll but it’s also just sad that people actually are actually as retarded as you’re pretending to be

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      Why do they need to specify it’s in water? It’s a fish, of course it needs to be in water.

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    Americans do love redundancies. e.g Just barely, only just, just a bit, true facts, free gift, end result, advance warning etc.

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      I’ll take just that cookie (You want the whole cookie)

      And

      I’ll take just a bit of that cookie (You want a piece of the cookie)

      I made it just barely to the concert (Implies you were almost late)

      And

      I made it just to the concert (Implies you had something else to go to but you just went to the concert)

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    When I hear tuna fish I think stuff in the can. When I hear Tuna I think the filet. I know that’s just me.

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    I think it’s mostly for the dad joke:

    You can tune a piano, but you can’t tune a fish.