So you’re saying I’ll be safe from this if I stick with win 10 past October?
Butbutbutbut Linux is not ready for desktop! I asked a stupid question in an Arch forum and they told me to RTFM! It does not support kernel level anti-cheat! Terminals are scary!
Etc, etc.
It does not support kernel level anti-cheat!
Huh, thought you were mentioning only the cons.
That update made me buy my first Framework laptop! Fuck Microsoft!!
of file corruption when symptoms occurs" adds the report (Translated from Japanese by Grok AI).
Why would you use an LLM to translate text? There are tools made specifically for that
Which are based on LLMs or other neural network models. It is kind of the thing that language models are actually good at.
See DeepL for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepL_Translator
The service uses a proprietary algorithm with convolutional neural networks (CNNs)[3] that have been trained with the Linguee database.[4][5]
According to the developers, the service uses a newer improved architecture of neural networks, which results in a more natural sound of translations than by competing services.
The translation is said to be generated using a supercomputer that reaches 5.1 petaflops and is operated in Iceland with hydropower.[6][7]
In general, CNNs are slightly more suitable for long coherent word sequences, but they have so far not been used by the competition because of their weaknesses compared to recurrent neural networks.
The weaknesses of DeepL are compensated for by supplemental techniques, some of which are publicly known.Yeah I know they’re based on LLMs, but they’re more adapted to translation, right?
Honestly, translations are one of the few things LLMs are good for. It can catch things like idioms or other things a machine translator may mistranslate. Though tbf, the main appeal is still live translation.
I want my Babbelfish.
Yesterday I got into the process of installing Windows 10 onto my laptop because I am selling it tomorrow. I asked the buyer if he wanted it with an OS or not, and he replied that he wanted Windows 10 Pro. I downloaded the ISO and installed it to one of my M.2 SATA SSD drives with a USB adapter.
Before installing Windows over my Linux installation, I did a SecureErase to wipe out my drive with the Linux installation because that is the SSD I am selling with the computer.
After installing Windows 10 from the M.2 SATA SSD with a USB adapter to the SecureErased drive, I instantly got multiple error messages about SMART checks saying that the SSD was broken/corrupted. I had never seen this POST error message when booting that computer with a Linux installation.
Well, I obviously had to change the drive to another one where I got the Windows installation to work normally without the BIOS POST error message.
I really cannot be sure what caused that. Can SecureErase do that so SMART checks report the drive as corrupted? Or was it the Windows installation?
SecureErase would overwrite the whole drive (potentially multiple times). So if the ssd was close to dead, it might have just triggered it.
I see. Well the SSD was used and few years old. Some Samsung SSD from a OEM build. I did run SMART tests on it like year ago and it was ok/healthy.
Time to fill it with linux isos and seed them with torrentz until it breaks completely.
Windows bad because I made a user error >:(
Hm…Weird way to shift blame.
Uh v lå p.
Thank god i blocked windows updates and only allowed security updates for 23H2…
Yet again, I trot out this phrase, as a response to yet another massive Windows fuckup/scandal:
… People are still using Windows?
many have to - work from home, have to share data and programs with other workers. There are of course ways around it but I know literally thousands of people who are supplied with a company laptop with windows on it and they have to use it…
Huh, sounds to me like bad security and data integrity policies/practices from whatever company, probably not very well run places to work for.
You realise that most companies still run on Windows don’t you? I’m in the UK and there is around zero companies that use anything else… here they got rid of Macs because of the hassle of supporting them and windows. Plenty of companies won’t let you use a Mac to work with either
Yep I do realize that.
And I still have the same opinion.
You’re in the UK, so you’re not bound by GDPR… but a whole lot of places and orgs that are bound by GDPR realize that MSFT products indeed are a joke from a data security standpoint, and are actively transitioning to linux or at the very least FOSS software.
I am in the US.
I literally used to work for MSFT, a few of their different locations around Seattle.
They are a fucking insane mess, internally, organizationally.
I worked with people, old timers who’d just casually tell me:
‘Oh yeah back before Desert Storm, I was out in Saudi Arabia flashing the BIOS of computer hardware that was bound to be installed in Saddam’s C&C and Air Defense Radar networks, some months later when time came for the air sorties, somebody else just flipped a switch and down goes all their radars!’
Aka a supply chain attack.
Aka, unless your definition of ‘data security’ is ‘the NSA has all my data’, then MSFT products are rather dubious at providing data security.
Like uh, did your org completely remove Copilot?
… Are you sure about that?
You realize a lot of software still only runs on windows, right? So its not even a choice for a lot of business.
Yet again - headline and article are massive overexaggerations, talking about an issue that a few people have had in very specific situations and saying it breaks everyones SSDs/HDDs and might corrupt their data to get people like you to get outraged and spread FUD.
Remember - if even 0.01% of people on Windows 11 get an error with an update, that is like 100k people. A 0.01% error rate is nothing. It’s not even worth mentioning. It’s not even worth investigating. Sure it sucks for those 100k people, and they’ll be complaining to everyone that will listen - but it’s not a big issue. That’s this. That’s this exact thing.
Wow, with a mentality like that, you’re a perfect fit for medical school.
First of all, false equivalency. Second, this isn’t new and didn’t just start happening again. Its never stopped happening. Windows update is fucking atrocious. Its always been atrocious. Its always been the single worst part about using windows for the vast majority of users.
Came here to say “Well, maybe they’re corrupting your data.”
I use “incontrol” to stop feature updates. And I used win11debloat. Havent had a problem since. In dogshit bloat, no dog shit copilot, no forced updates, no privacy destroying telemetry. Just me and MY windows machine like the old days.
Well yes, but actually this is a security update
Look at it from the flip side: Linux is so bad people would rather deal with this than deal with Linux.
Meh - people are creatures of habit. To quote a family member “I’m too old to learn a new operating system!” Any change, even over to Mac OS, is rejected by most Windows users. Even when 99.9% of what they do is in a web browser.
Every time I try switching to Linux I run into some issue I just cant fix and go back to windows, currently pirated win10 IOT LTSC. Last time it was getting the USB ports to recognize an ESP32, the time before that graphics card drivers, the time before that it would either take ages to boot or not boot at all, the time before that software I couldnt get to run.
Maybe try another distro? Mint 22.1 works just fine right out of the box, and at this point Claude provides actual support better than scouring 3 forums in case you need small tweaks. Other than some proprietary fingerprint reader I never use, every machine I’ve used it on has been fine.
You can just do a live install from USB and test it before even installing.
Lies! Linux never has issues!
My laptop’s Linux install currently isn’t corrupt and won’t boot, honest!
Disclaimer: I actually like Linux a lot, JFC the windows hate is crazy…
The reporter’s own “test” proves this is caused by faulty drives unable to sustain the speed they advertise, not Windows.
Why would IO speed be a factor in whether a user’s data is corrupted? That just sounds like a race condition.
Are you suggesting the drives are accessed more slowly before this update?
Maybe ? I know R/W speeds used to be a lot slower in Windows than Linux but I thought they fixed that a few years ago.
That’s mostly related to Windows Defender intercepting reads and writes and hasn’t truly been fixed.
Sometimes it’s literally faster to read a database using WSL than the native system.
How’s that vibe coding working out for ya?
It looks like finally after almost ten years they will complete the dark mode on windows. But some buttons will still be with the light theme, they ran out of ai credits and need to wait for next month to replenish the free tier
Didn’t they proudly say how much of windows is AI generated slop code a few months ago?
I think it has more to do with the new atomic update and their now-usual not-testing aproach.
Linux users: “See what we mean?”
Windows users: “La la la! I can’t hear you! Losing my data is clearly better than having to learn something new!”
Linux users: “See what we mean?”
Windows users: “La la la! I can’t hear you! Losing my data is a standard Windows feature!”
Your account seems to be marked as a bot, you can fix that in your user settings if it was unintentional
I have literally never had one of these things happen to me before. I’m pretty sure people just make them up for clicks at this point.
I know people who were affected when a Windows 10 update just straight up deleted all personal files in 2020.
This was an issue that appeared when writing heavy files to disks (50gb+), so people that werent doing it were safe. And don’t worry, its a matter of when LOL. I was a windows “virgin” until one day my system drive appeared encrypted and locked by bitlocker when I never activated it, nor had any recovery key.
the 16-bit Windows on Windows subsystems, which allowed 32-bit versions of Windows to directly run 16-bit DOS and Windows programs
Jesus, what a scam. Why does anyone put up with this?
IMO, the Windows Subsystems is kind of cool. WSL 1 used it too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AWindows_2000_architecture.svg
Windows 11 only comes in 64 bit flavors so this would be a weird feature to leave in place.
I’m not using any software that doesn’t have an upward swipe gesture for jumplists. How can people stand losing features like this?
I’m also gonna sarcastically cherry-pick!
Are you? I didn’t see it. If you’re trying to make the opposite point, why don’t you cherry pick the other way. Let’s see what you’ve got or if this headline is just bullshit.
I’m currently running 50/50 windows/Ubuntu. I’m no Windows fanboy. But I’m also a software dev and I understand deprecating useless shit, something Windows doesn’t do much of.
So you mean losing your data on Linux not easy as rm -rd?
I love how people immediately downvoted you to hell for this lmfao.
Like yeah, the guys on the comments: only people use rm -rf, absolutely no scripts use it at all. Something like motherfucking STEAM absolutely didn’t remove people’s data that one time. And hey, their so beloved
--no-preserve-rootdidn’t prevent that from happening. :DI love and currently use Linux, but my GOD some Linux people are annoying.
If something like
del C:\*.*somehow ended up deleting your D: drive too, we wouldn’t stop hearing the end of it, but here on Linux systems, it is a perfectly normal thing, and people somehow DEFEND this atrocity lmfao.rm shouldn’t exist at its current form. Full stop.
There is a difference between telling your computer to delete something and the computer complying, and doing a windows update only to find it’s corrupted your data or straight up killed your disk.
I’m not going to get angry when I tell my PC to delete a file and it actually does it.
“You mean if I delete data, then it’s gone? No matter what platform?”
Updating windows is not a command that deletes your data
I mean, it shouldn’t be, but apparently it is
rm -rf is way more difficult than doing literally nothing, yes.
Linux treats users like a person and Windows treats users like children. Be the person Linux trusts you to be.
Windows treats users like a product.
Cause we are to them. We are nothing more than monetized eye balls.
$ su - # rm -rf —no-preserve-root /Should do the trick. (Obviously don’t try it unless you know what you are doing and know what may happen when it hits your EFI variables.)
Not with GNU rm, no.
“We looked around and could not find other reports resembling such situations. The problem has been reported by a Japanese PC builder and enthusiast and some of the comments on the thread seem to indicate that others there may be experiencing similar issues. So it could be a region-specific thing too”
If I was a librarian and my card catalog started exploding, I would have a fit. Those are not easy to put together.
Yeah but luckily by the mid 80s it was completely digitized and just there in the basement for reference.
That’s not my data.
Is this an automatic update that I can stop ?
The company managed to resolve the issue later and has deployed a fix.
They’re using Grok to translate?
They probably used copilot to write the code. It compiled so they shipped it.
Take that deniers!
Bah, each time I want to do the manual upgrade from 23h2 I have to postpone it again due to some stupid bug or annoying feature that makes me reconsider doing it.
