• plyth@feddit.org
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    13 hours ago

    Option B could be to make civilization good enough that retirement is not needed. Basic income is one thing but enough jobs and affordable medical care could make sure that age is not a problem.

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      10 hours ago

      Sure, I mean literally millions of people want this, but like 20 billionaires don’t want to lose an insignificant amount of their wealth so that means we don’t get to have it. :(

      • plyth@feddit.org
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        9 hours ago

        Millions of people want free money. How many are willing to spend the time to make it work? The problem is not the revolution but to regularly make investment decisions and to decide what the economy should do.

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                  I think it’s more like, any job you have in a capitalist system (which we live in especially in the USA) will result in enriching the borgeousie more than the laborers. Exceptions may apply for worker owned businesses but those are few and far between and even then usually there is still a hierarchy for pay that can be rather unequal in distribution.

                  Anyways idk that’s not really a question that has a simple answer but that’s just something off the top of my head.

                  For a funnier example, let’s say I wanted to murder you and a few other peeps just to have a good time. Society would prevent that through laws and punishment, of course the real thing stopping me is the hassle and chance I could get imprisoned and my own moral compass but it’s just a pithy example of where free will and society could intersect.

                  There’s an infinite number of examples of how society curbs individual behaviors.

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                    4 hours ago

                    Society is also enabling. Without society we would only have stone tools, at best.

                    You gave a general answer. What about you? What do you want to do and what is holding you back?

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      10 hours ago

      I’m not sure why those things would eliminate the need for retirement. Affordable medical care and jobs aren’t a problem in Europe. People still don’t function all that well when they get old.

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        9 hours ago

        I don’t have it either. But that shouldn’t prevent us from thinking about what could be done.