Senate Democrats are cautiously optimistic about a potential agreement to fund the Department of Homeland Security. But it’s far from a done deal.

As negotiations ramp up on Capitol Hill to end the Department of Homeland Security shutdown, Senate Democrats seem to be clinging to a particular word: reforms.

It was a term party leaders used in the context of Immigration and Customs Enforcement nearly two dozen times during a March 24 news conference.

The refrain threw cold water on a new GOP compromise to fund the critical agency — minus ICE’s enforcement and removal operations — and end a crisis that has upended air travel across the country.

“Democrats are continuing to push for modest reforms,” Washington Sen. Patty Murray, the top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee, told reporters. “The current Republican offer in front of us does not do that.”

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    “Push for moderate reforms” where the complete removal of the ICE agency and build-up of a new replacement is needed.

    And they think this will go well with voters?

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    Have Republicans tried PROMISING to MAYBE think about SOME word like Reforms if they Pass the Bill with NO Changes? That USUALLY works Pretty well on Democrats!

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        They don’t even have to break any promises! Just promise to hold a vote for whatever the Democrats are wanting at a later date, then vote against it when the time comes. Worked great last time!

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    “Democrats are continuing to push for modest reforms” is the most 2026 quote I’ve ever read.

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      And yet that is all it takes to grind this government to a halt - they ask for basically nothing at all and still, they are given no quarter. They should almost all be fired, the red hats should be just as mad at their idiot congresspeople for accomplishing nothing.

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      “Will they capitulate at the smallest change and a promise of republicans maybe, possibly, potentially sneezing at the thought of doing anything different? Stay tuned…”

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        Tomorrow: “In exchange for a pinky swear from congressional Republicans that a vote for moderate reforms would be held sometime in the next year, Democrats have given in to all Republican demands and passed the funding bill with no changes.”

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          The day after: “Republicans break pinky swear – “No one could have seen this coming” says Fetterman; Democrats sigh, throw up their hands, and collectively go ‘whaddayagonnadoaboutit?’; Schumer writes strongly worded letter.”

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    Shut down airports … what are we even talking about…shut it all down for the next 3 years…there is 0 room for negotiations until this administration is held to account and trials begin.

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      Seriously. As much as the shit stains in charge are fucking everything up, I’d gladly endure a total shutdown of society as a whole if that’s what it takes to cut this cancerous corruption out.

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        I’m not making excuses for the dems complete lack of backbone, or their complicity in all the current horrors, but I do think this conversation should always acknowledge that many millions of (poor, undocumented, disabled) people would be utterly fucked during a total shutdown.

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      I got no problem with that. I wanted to keep it locked down last Fall.

      I don’t like General Strikes. You think Trump is going to capitulate because we self-inflicted unemployment on ourselves? He’ll just think that’s hilarious.

      No, instead of cutting off OUR money, let’s cut off THEIR money. That hurts THEM. You want money? Dance, Monkey, Dance.

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        A general strike does cut off the owner class’s money. How do you think they get money? They sure as hell aren’t getting their hands dirty and making anything. Their money comes from our labor. Sure, it also hurts workers (which is what strike funds are for), but it’s one of the few tools we have to hurt the owners.

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          European nations do general Strikes because they don’t have an alternative. America has the unique option of shutting off the GOVERNMENT’S money instead of our own. So why don’t we do what works best for US, instead of following the tired old European model, that simply won’t be effective in America?

          We can try to hurt the Sociopathic Oligarchs with strikes, but they’ll just spend their endless fortunes fighting back. But if we hurt the politicians badly, and convincingly threaten them with more in the future, we can make them more afraid of US, than their desire for more money from the Sociopathic Oligarchs.

          I just don’t see how self-inflicted wounds are going to convince MAGA psychopaths to behave. They. Don’t. Care. About. Us. We can hurt ourselves all day long, and they’ll just watch and laugh.

          What politicians care about is themselves and their money, so hurt them in THEIR pocketbooks, not ours. That will wake them up real fast. We’re seeing it right now in this partial shutdown. They are flailing all over the place, but NOTHING is working for them, and everybody knows they are running out of all their options.

          The SAVE Act will NOT be passed, and DHS will NOT be funded unless they take those masks off. This is due to the Dems hanging tough and not giving up this time, unlike that shameful, humiliating surrender last Fall. THAT government shutdown should still be going on.

          For me, that was the last straw for the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Schumer. Those two loser need to get the hook and be dragged offstage.

          To paraphrase General Patton: We won’t win by hurting ourselves, we will win by hurting THEM. So let’s hurt them real bad, in every way possible. That will make them listen.

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    I don’t understand how requiring federal agents to show their face while working in an official capacity unless the situation requires to be covered for safety reasons is controversial. If they aren’t doing anything illegal, why do they feel the need to cover up like robbers?

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      Their demands are just have ice follow the same rules as police, which they already have to do. Which is extra ironic as it’s not like it’s done anything to help with how much the police abuse citizens

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        They’re trying to save ICE for use during a Democratic administration. This is how Senate Democrats are calculating their politics. They’re approaching this from the angle that the current admin is ruining ICE.

        Like, they fundamentally support Iran war and regime change, and only oppose that this guy is doing it so badly.

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    Y’all remember 5 years ago when all these shitstains couldn’t wear a mask to protect people from a plague? Suddenly they can breathe through them just fine.

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      I don’t think their face coverings are N95 tho.

      Those fabric face coverings were illegal where mask mandates were in effect on public transportation in my city.

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    I can’t wait for them to end the shutdown with absolutely nothing to show for it again. Useless twats.

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    Don’t worry guys, Schumer has a proven ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, no chance this doesn’t end in some kind of capitulation that fails to get any concessions.

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    Just let the government die at this point, don’t vote for any reforms other than abolishment entirely. CBP handled all of it just fine before ICE was even created to do the SAME FUCKING JOB.

    The US government needs to be replaced. Along with 99% of Congress. The experiment has failed. Time cut our losses and try again.

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      ICE wasn’t created to do the same job. It was created because kicking out anyone who cares about rule of law or procedure from CBP would have taken much longer.

      ICE was made a fascist strangling arm from the get-go, that’s why it is separate.

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    Democrats are fighting for no masks and that ICE actually has to have real warrants.

    In meetings with lawmakers, White House officials have demonstrated an openness to at least some of the concessions Democrats want. They’ve committed to expanding the use of body-worn cameras, reforming agent trainings and bolstering requirements for officers to identify themselves when conducting immigration enforcement. Pain points have remained, however, over masking and warrants.

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      Which is fine and dandy but ignores the fact that ICE is a literal gestapo that needs to be wholesale dismantled not made marginally less bad.

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        You’re not wrong, they should be doing way more. Trump and fellow republicans won’t even agree to that when their own base isn’t betting paid.

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        Ice deported more people during the Obama administration that now. Dems love ice, they hate when the public find out about what they do though. It’s all virtue signaling, nothing more.

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          I’m pretty sure ICE under Obama wasn’t grabbing random brown people off the street with no warrant and murdering people who protested about it, though.

          The actual immigration purpose of ICE might be less effective under Trump, but he sure as Hell ratcheted up the jackbooted thuggery!

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      Democrats are fighting for no masks and that ICE actually has to have real warrants.

      So basically nothing. Not even the bare minimum just giving the appearance of addressing issues as always.

      Especially when the body camera part is just to help expand ice surveillance rather than help citizens.