An ML posting to a CA sub with a right-wing news article that talks about Carney’s actions only in the first three paragraphs, never includes a direct quote of what the guy said, but a couple paragraphs later, leads a statement with
The Carney government has taken no formal position on the notion of secularism in the law
then buries it by finishing the sentence with
but objects to how Quebec and other provinces are using the Constitution’s notwithstanding clause to override Charter rights pre-emptively.
and spends several paragraphs talking about the notwithstanding clause, some stuff about how restricting what women can choose to wear is somehow liberating to women because religion - what happens if a middle-eastern woman decides one day that a headscarf would look nice with her outfit and gets kicked out of parliament?
Still no quote directly from Carney, but the last paragraph is
Oral arguments at the Supreme Court of Canada continue Wednesday and Thursday. A final decision from the court is unlikely for several months.
So, the (right-wing media) Star makes a story mentioning a thing the PM said, lacking either a quote or context of the statement, then yaps a bunch about the law itself and provinces’ use of the notwithstanding clause…
Then at the end says “Oh, BTW, the Supreme court hasn’t made any decisions, this is just testimony”
You say that like .ca isn’t one of the more conservative instances out there.
Lol truth hurts.
So why post something that claims the PM did or say something that he never actually said or did? To spread misinformation, or?
It doesn’t claim that the PM did or say something he never said or did. Seems that you didn’t actually bother reading the article in the submission. The ‘less biased’ version Omgpwnies linked basically says the same thing as the article I linked. Hence it’s just pearl clutching.
Except that I did read the article you posted and it does make claims about the PM. I also did read the CBC article linked above and it contains precisely zero mention of Mark Carney whatsoever.
Also, this whole “omg ur pearl clutching” silliness doesn’t help at all, either.
Correct, the article published in The Star covers the specific national prayer breakfast event that Carney attended. The CBC article does not cover this event, the parts it does cover match what The Star reports. Here’s the video of the event itself. Are you going to claim that the video is fabricated now?
The article you posted made the very serious assertion that the PM:
declared religious values can and should frame how politicians act.
He never did any such thing.
In the 2 hour video you linked, he spoke for about 10 minutes between 50:00 - 60:00 into the video. In it, he merely gave thanks to certain values like generosity and kindness, made quotes that weren’t even really religiously-charged, if at all, and that was it; his speech was over.
So unless he said in French what your initial article asserts he did (because I don’t speak the language yet and there was no translator), then I’m going to have to say your initial article (and headline) is quite misleading.
It almost had me fooled too, if Omgpwnies hadn’t pointed out the discrepancy, which made me actually look into it further.
The PM has his faults, I don’t dispute that, but we shouldn’t be adding unnecessary visceral into the public discourse. This kind of division brought by misinformation is not what we need in this country right now.
He’s literally quoting the bible at a religious event, in his post as a Canadian official, and saying that these are his guiding values. The fact that you’re trying to spin this as anything else is frankly incredible.
Keep that shit out of government. How is this nonsense still relevant? The first criteria for faith is suspension of disbelief, I have a hard time trusting leaders that bring up anything regarding religion.
Unfortunately, theistic bullshit it baked right into the Charter’s preamble:
Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law
It would be fantastic to see that removed.
Christians have values now?
Aside from the pedophilia, buggery of boys, and theft of money.
Man did you get those from the Talmud? Did you know Christians actually follow the New Testament and Jesus not the Talmud?
I got it from this guy…
Forgiving loving and being kind to all beings those are the commandments of Jesus to his disciples.
If only people who called themselves Christian actually followed the teachings.
Feel free to remind them.
We didn’t choose for them to follow this religion, they did
Some people were just basically told they were Christian by their parents without further elaboration, and due to school policies where it is forbidden to let anyone know about Jesus’ teachings to forgive, love and be kind to one another, they never learned about them. So you can be that shining light that informs them about the articles of their faith, and who knows maybe they will even be grateful to you for it.
That’s what Sunday school is for. Keep religion out of publicly funded schools
But trans ideology is based on the Talmud and that’s part of the public education system. So are you saying that some religions have more value than others? Cause that would go against the charter. Having a basic understanding of different faiths and their core beliefs is an important part of understanding how to navigate the world.
Except when you do their pastors literally pray to God for you to die.
Jesus says to bless your enemies my friend. Pray for your health and long life, the growth in your compassion. things like that. You may be confusing Christian pastors with perhaps something else?
Nope. Same as Christians for the last 2,000 years. They preach murder destruction and chaos.
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No paywall link Archive.ph
I’ve seen the value of Christian values, and that’s hardly reassuring, Mark
What values have you seen? Jesus promoted forgiveness love and kindness for all beings. To he a servant to all. To care for the needy. Are those the ones you speak of?
oh, so this is a homeless shelter…
Certainly not any Christians I’ve ever seen.
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I’ve certainly seen the comments the mods removed of yours in here promoting hatred and intolerance. So yeah I seen a lot of you. Like all Christians you don’t practice what you preach.
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The mod log lets me see what was removed. So now I know you bear false witness.
What Jesus promoted and what Christians perform are two entirely different things.
Well there are plenty of people who do follow Jesus Christs teachings. However there are also some people who identify a the name Christian without knowing what Jesus taught. And some even maliciously claim to be Christian while directly going against his teachings. Jesus said that it is by their fruits that we will know them. And not those who call him Lord, but those doing the will of God, following his commandments to forgive, love and be kind to one another.
No True Scotsman
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You mean like holy wars and what’s been occurring in palestein?
“Matthew 10:34-36 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.””
“John 14:26 ”Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.””
And there are so many more.
I’ve always had a problem with peopel that claim this shit is good, there’s a lot of bad shit in the bible too. It aint all peaches and cream. It’s not really right to pick and choose either. Sure, you can learn some good things I suppose, but there’s a lot of bad along with the good.
John 14:26 is what they have been accusing Muslims of for decades. That the west loves life while Muslims love death.
John 14:26 is about the holy Spirit teaching one all things. Everyone has access to the holy spirit through prayer and listening to the still small voice within.
Doesn’t have anything to do with Muslims as far as I know.
I am not sure if you are aware but Israel is actually run by Zionist Jews not Christians. So I am not sure why you bring in Palestine.
In fact Palestine was founded on the explusion of the Jews from Jerusalem in 135AD after Bark Kokhba which itself was the fulfillment of Revelation. And started thousand years of Christianity in Palestine.
In terms of your quotes the division is between those willing to forgive love and be kind to all beings in following Christ. And those who would rather follow worldly resentments like downvoting people for promotion of love and kindness etc.
Hey, look… those are the ones I was told about when I was young. The ones I still live by because what the fuck are we doing if we’re not looking out for each other?
But that is not what the church stands for, in word or action. Grow up.
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Those words that are attributed to Jesus are all fine and good, but large numbers of the people who claim to be his followers don’t seem to act according to those words.
ATM machines in the temple…
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, it is possible to remind them of Jesus’s words
Not really, Jesus spoke in Aramaic, not a word of English and yet people hang off every English word re-written countless times by kings.
Fuck off Carney. Wake up, Canada has millions of non-christians, are they now not Canadians?
They are most certainly Canadian and it is thanks to our Christian values that recognize that all deserve forgiveness love and kindness that makes it possible.
This is something absent from pretty much all other faiths I know of.
Ive been reading your comments on this post. You seem to be coming from a good, well intentioned place. The main issue with Carney saying this that there should be a separation between government and religion. All are free to worship or not as they choose. One religion (regardless of what that religion is) guiding a government goes against this.
You weren’t reading his comments that carefully.
Well like I said earlier there is no separation of church and state in Canada, that’s a US thing. In Canada our parliament building is full of bible quotes etched into the stone, and the values you are portraying like “All are free to worship or not as they choose” is a Christian idea based on Jesus’s teachings to forgive love and be kind to all people, and if someone doesn’t want to hear the message to “shake off your feet and be on your way” (Matt 10:14). This is in stark contrast to other faiths like Islam and Judaism where non believers are discriminated against. Fundamentally the government needs some kind of basis of morality, otherwise it turns into relativism soup, where people are allowed to rape and assault people because “it’s part of their religion/culture” like in Europe. By contrast in Canada the criminal code doesn’t care what religion/culture you are, if you commit a crime, it’s a crime, it’s not relative, it’s absolute, and it’s based on Christian ethics.
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That’s insane what you just said right there.
That’s ins
What makes you say that? Do you think all religions are as kind forgiving and loving as Christianity?
Of the over 3000 current religions on this planet. Yes, I’d wager that many are significantly more forgiving than Christianity.
Well feel free to find any at all, I’ll wait here for you in your search.
Here you go, Here’s a site that compares religions, go nuts!
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Mark Carney was at a national prayer breakfast, aka an event for praying in public, and quoted from Mark.
Now, I will do the same:Mark 6:5-6:
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."Still as a Canadian and as PM he should realize it’s inappropriate for him to engage in public prayer.
Hopefully he steps down for this.
Sure, Pierre is upping his kettlebell workout in prep for an election.
If he has to step doen it would be for supporting israel and letting the sale of occupied west bank land in synaguoges
Why would he step down for this if he didn’t step down for any of the terrible shit he’s done? Besides, who’s gunna oversee the government firing the next 12,000 federal employees?
Mark Carney: A conservative in red, voted for by fools who were too scared of a conservative in blue to use even 1% of their brains.
We needed someone smart and capable not Pierre fucking Polievre. Again it’s the lesser of 2 evils. And yes we are better off without PP.
Rick Mercer roasted that asshole more than a decade ago.
It’s maddening that it WAS absolutely the correct vote, but these are the times we live in. The alternative would be so so so much worse. How can you not see that?
Continue to be critical of Carney. He has a lot to answer for, but he’s doing well on the international stage so far. But he has to prove he can do what he says.
Hes a politician and a banker, be was always going to be concervative, but he’s not to break the system he will hold it together in spite of the damage that is going to be done.
I hate him for betraying those whose jobs he’s cut. I hate him for his anticlimate policies. i hate him for not having a spine and a vision of actually helping people instead of “building partnerships”
But he’s better than the god damned alternative.
It wasn’t, though. Look at where “strategic” voting has gotten us: A descent into a situation where the lesser of the two evils is almost completely indistinguishable from the greater of the two of them AND WE HAD THE NDP. THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE OPTIONS, DUMBASS.
Anyone who thinks the NDP would have been worse than the Liberals despite all of what’s happening now being fully unsurprising is deeply unserious as a person and their opinions on the matter are beyond worthless. You didn’t vote against PP, you voted against progressive ideology and I will NOT pity you for your stupid, short-sighted nonsense about “lesser of two evils”.
We didn’t avoid ANY-FUCKING-THING and all we did was reinforce the idea that progressive politics aren’t popular in this country. Everything wrong with this god-forsaken place can be directed right back at the gutless, snivelling cowards who either vote center or don’t even fucking show up at all. I am SICK AND TIRED of trying to make you idiots feel comfortable, figure it out or get out of the fucking way.
I don’t think the NDP had a snowballs chance in hell. They didn’t have a decent leader.
I’ve voted NDP most of my life. But that part lost any chance at leadership when Jack Layton died.
Jagmeet Singh wasn’t a real candidate this time.
“I never supported them and they never have a chance, and I have no ability to see how those two things are related!”
“Singh wasn’t perfection so instead I elected a goblin-ass banker who’s essentially a Harper era conservative, in a time when we desperately need progressive politics!”
You’re a fucking joke, bud. You didn’t vote against the Conservatives, you voted for a very conservative party and against progressive politics. You need to come to terms with that.
You missed the part where I’ve voted for NDP my whole life.
I did not feel jagmeet Singh was a competent enough person for current situation. He had his chance to prove that to me and vote for his party again like I voted for him to be where he was already. He failed us. Carney hasn’t sold us out to America yet. PP would have done it on day 1. I was afraid of that happening. It was heading in the wrong god damn direction and we needed to align together behind someone who could do the job.
That wasn’t Jagmeet Singh. Sorry dude. Life sucks and there are terrible choices.
You act like Carney is trump. He’s not. He’s kamala Harris. She’s not good. But she would have been better than Trump.
Grow the fuck up. Please. We need you.
Whereas the NDP didn’t even have a horse in the race.
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Mark Carney has a daily devotional each morning which is done in private. His public prayers are in alignment with Jesus’s teachings:
Jesus also said: “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.” — Mark 16:15 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.” — Matthew 5:14 “Let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.” — Matthew 5:16 “What I tell you in the dark, say in the light, and what you hear whispered, proclaim on the housetops.” — Matthew 10:27 “Everyone who acknowledges me before others, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven.” — Matthew 10:32
Those verses don’t mention to be praying, it looks like they’re about preaching, doing charity work, and telling people about your faith.
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Can we please keep religion out of politics?
Yes, we should keep religion out of politics, but I don’t think we should ignore morality.
Canada does not have separation of Church and State like the US. Our parliament building is covered in Bible quotes. Our politicians are called public servants because Jesus said who wishes to be first must be servant of all. Our charter of rights starts with “By the supremacy of God”. Basically Canada is inextricably intertwined with Christianity.
Christian values, like when he was complicit in culling over 130,000 of the disabled poor in Britain, during the 2010s?
They’d not have managed to do that without him.
Not falling for his public image management white washing.
Christian values are why we have soup kitchens, cause Jesus said to feed the hungry, it is about th values of love and kindness for all creation. Because even the least is considered divine.
Christian values are why we have soup kitchens, cause Jesus said to feed the hungry, it is about th values of love and kindness for all creation. Because even the least is considered divine.
So, not, culling the most vulnerable, the crippled and poor, like he was complicit in when Governor of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020? Oh. Okay. Glad you pointed that out. ;p
As an LLM concluded for me a while back: While Carney was not the architect of austerity, his leadership at the Bank of England was complicit in its continuation and deepening. By financing the government’s deficit and keeping borrowing costs low, the Bank under Carney allowed austerity to persist, with deadly consequences for the UK’s most vulnerable. His policies provided the financial and political space for cuts to proceed, making him a key, if indirect, enabler of the suffering that followed.
So… he wasn’t doing christian values like feeding the poor [Or if he was, it was like Rockefeller on camera giving a dime back to an individual from a community from whom Rockefeller had stole millions, to deceitfully whitewash his public image]. He was doing “christian values” like being complicit in their democide.
Take your christian compassion and sensitivities to http://calumslist.org/ [ archived: https://dpac.uk.net/tag/calums-list/ & https://web.archive.org/web/20260223010439/http://calumslist.org/ ] and read those stories, face the horror, and consider the scale of it (not just 60, but over 130,000). That’s what Carney was complict with, with his close working ties with the core of the conservative party intentionally committing this atrocity.
Then it makes a lot more sense what’s happening in Canada. Makes it implausible to fall for his PR marketing of him as having christian values as if he’s a good guy.
PS, being starved (& deprived of heating, transport, medicine), having care turned to cull, is a very cruel way to go. Real monster.
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I didn’t see that one coming?
Amen! This kinda stuff is why Carney has such a high approval rating.
Your comments are batshit crazy
I reported him for trolling.
I forgive and love you unconditionally and pray you can see the truth and freedom in forgiving loving and being kind to one another.
The Carneymoon is over. He’s just a PC with a red tie.
He has like 68% approval rating last I saw. Did you know he mesitates daily and has met with both Pope Francis and Pope Leo?
I thought you were being sarcastic.
As a disciple of Christ I am only to tell the truth, I avoid all forms or joke and sarcasm, and aim to edify people. I appreciate your love and concern for the group. May you be full of gratitude at authentic expression, peace and goodness.
