I feel like people conflate words when talking about Israel painting them differently from reality.
There are many terrible things done by Israel, but let us not forget that there are even worse countries doing things that are terrible for different reasons.
The treatment of Palestinians is particularly hainous, but remember that there were worse genocides and more effective genocides this century. The bar to be the worst is incredibly terrible.
Against my better judgement, I’ll bite: what other genocide this century was worse and by what metric? Even if we assume there is such a thing, I don’t see how that’s relevant in justifying Israel. It’s like saying that you shouldn’t care about the Bosnian genocide because there are other worse ones on this artificial scale.
I don’t really see how that’s relevant. In which of these genocides have Western governments been COMPLICIT by supporting the side doing the genocide? Providing the equipment and international support to carry it out?
It’s telling how the West has been very eager to label the Uyghur situation a genocide before any body was even documented (it’s since been quietly downgraded to a cultural genocide), but still has not acknowledged any of its own genocides of recent history or the ongoing one it’s supporting in Gaza. It’s pure political theater that serves the current geopolitical order.
Here is how the West in general treats the horrors it is responsible for (this is just from yesterday):
The west has been complicit in south Sudan by delivering the tools via the Arabs. The war in eastern Congo is fueled by our need for resources.
You hyper focus on one genocide as a beacon of inhumanity while ignoring the very severe suffering of other people and barely caring about them in the name of reducing the genocides. You are not achieving that.
Also the slave trade was further in the past than happing yesterday. Not even figuratively
How the fuck do you think you’re going to reduce genocides on the other side of the world when your fucking governments don’t even acknowledge the one they’re actively complicit in right now, or the ones it has committed in recent history?
Until US/Europe/the other vassals deal with their own imperialist history, nothing is going to change. It’s also ironic that you’re accusing me of ignoring severe suffering, while your first post here was actively defending Israel for invading foreign territory.
How did I or my ancestors have any part in the slave trade or benefit from them directly? Also that’s more than 3 generations in the past and the quoted resolution demands undue reparations. Africa and the South must be aided in their development and not be exploited, but that resolution seems to be made in a way where it’s goal was to be repealed. There is little merit in that.
The wealth of the West is created from centuries of colonial exploitation and imperialism. It’s the reason for unequal exchange: why you in the imperial core only have to work 1 hour to get the same pay as someone working 4 hours for the same job in the Global South (so that you can use the other 3 hours to post imperialist apologia on socials, in your case).
The wealth of the West (and capitalism) would not exist without the genocide and settlement of 3 continents, the enslavement of the 4th and the colonization of the 5th. Reparations are due, but the West has been more concerned with paying reparations to slave owners, for their loss of “property”, as in the case of the UK, until 2015, with public money out of taxes. Turns out they can really pay reparations when they want to, huh?
Yes, Israel has never illegally settled territory outside their Western imperialist designated “state” borders. /s
Leave it to feddit.org to defend Israel. db0 wasn’t kidding about the zionist bar problem
I feel like people conflate words when talking about Israel painting them differently from reality.
There are many terrible things done by Israel, but let us not forget that there are even worse countries doing things that are terrible for different reasons.
The treatment of Palestinians is particularly hainous, but remember that there were worse genocides and more effective genocides this century. The bar to be the worst is incredibly terrible.
Against my better judgement, I’ll bite: what other genocide this century was worse and by what metric? Even if we assume there is such a thing, I don’t see how that’s relevant in justifying Israel. It’s like saying that you shouldn’t care about the Bosnian genocide because there are other worse ones on this artificial scale.
Tigray is worst from number of dead, for example. Muslims in China are suffering, but information is difficult.
If you feel like reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st-century_genocides
There are also cases where the methods were particularly cruel and ones where there are virtually no survivors.
I don’t really see how that’s relevant. In which of these genocides have Western governments been COMPLICIT by supporting the side doing the genocide? Providing the equipment and international support to carry it out?
It’s telling how the West has been very eager to label the Uyghur situation a genocide before any body was even documented (it’s since been quietly downgraded to a cultural genocide), but still has not acknowledged any of its own genocides of recent history or the ongoing one it’s supporting in Gaza. It’s pure political theater that serves the current geopolitical order.
Here is how the West in general treats the horrors it is responsible for (this is just from yesterday):
The west has been complicit in south Sudan by delivering the tools via the Arabs. The war in eastern Congo is fueled by our need for resources.
You hyper focus on one genocide as a beacon of inhumanity while ignoring the very severe suffering of other people and barely caring about them in the name of reducing the genocides. You are not achieving that.
Also the slave trade was further in the past than happing yesterday. Not even figuratively
How the fuck do you think you’re going to reduce genocides on the other side of the world when your fucking governments don’t even acknowledge the one they’re actively complicit in right now, or the ones it has committed in recent history?
Until US/Europe/the other vassals deal with their own imperialist history, nothing is going to change. It’s also ironic that you’re accusing me of ignoring severe suffering, while your first post here was actively defending Israel for invading foreign territory.
How did I or my ancestors have any part in the slave trade or benefit from them directly? Also that’s more than 3 generations in the past and the quoted resolution demands undue reparations. Africa and the South must be aided in their development and not be exploited, but that resolution seems to be made in a way where it’s goal was to be repealed. There is little merit in that.
The wealth of the West is created from centuries of colonial exploitation and imperialism. It’s the reason for unequal exchange: why you in the imperial core only have to work 1 hour to get the same pay as someone working 4 hours for the same job in the Global South (so that you can use the other 3 hours to post imperialist apologia on socials, in your case).
The wealth of the West (and capitalism) would not exist without the genocide and settlement of 3 continents, the enslavement of the 4th and the colonization of the 5th. Reparations are due, but the West has been more concerned with paying reparations to slave owners, for their loss of “property”, as in the case of the UK, until 2015, with public money out of taxes. Turns out they can really pay reparations when they want to, huh?
Oh, well if it’s not the only genocide it’s fine then!
It is not.