• Godric@lemmy.worldOP
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      6 hours ago

      Reminds me of an old Carlin joke:

      "Think about how stupid the average person you meet in a day is. Think about it, think about it.

      HALF OF THEM ARE EVEN STUPIDER THAN THAT!"

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        3 hours ago

        But it’s an average, there’s chance of more than a half (although with normal distribution we should expect average and median to be the same)

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        6 hours ago

        Now if only we could judge people on actual intelligence instead of just how much we disagree with them…

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          I mean, wouldnt that be a worse basis for judgement though? Like, a significant amount a person’s intelligence is based on non-voluntary factors, so judging someone for a lower than average intelligence seems unfair in the same way that judging them for being short or looking unattractive or such would be. Further, while a lower intelligence might make it harder for someone to understand more complicated ideas, it isnt a guarantee of them being wrong either, so one cant dismiss the contributions of a less intelligent person as always useless just because of their intelligence. Meanwhile, a person’s views are comparatively more changeable, more influenced by that person’s decisions, and an incorrect or morally repugnant idea is going to be wrong regardless of how intelligent the person holding it is.

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            People aren’t judging others they meet on a day to day basis on “repugnant ideals” or moral absolutes. They’re judging people based on those people doing something that they don’t like. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred people are just going about their day, they’re not trying to push their agenda or make you live the way they prefer.

            Really, my criticism was of the basis of the quote, that someone is stupid because of how you met them during the day rather than their actual intelligence level. That someone is dumb because they don’t agree with you, or do something in a way you don’t like. Which, kind of, is what you’re saying. The problem is they’re quantifying it as stupidity instead of moral repugnance.

            There are a ton of intelligent people who are absolutely abhorrent. Just because they disagree with you doesn’t mean they’re dumb… they just don’t share your values.

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    4 hours ago

    I had a hard time getting the joke. They mean, “… students are in the bottom quartile,” right?

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    7 hours ago

    Clearly the education system failed this man, he has no critical thinking skills and is confident enough about himself to post stupid shit like this.

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    I’m not a big fan of standardized testing, they evolved from a simple tool of measurement quickly into an industry and a political weapon (teaching for the test). But they do provide a glimpse still of the status of education.

    If he wanted to show the reality of things, he would have quoted the actual percentages, which show how bad it is. In the SAT 41% are ready for university-level math, 64% for reading and writing (only 13% of them completed the essay part), and the ACT is a huge 29% and 39%, respectively. And that’s just the kids who took these tests.

    It’s always been bad. I remember being surprised when I went to college decades ago and there were remedial classes to get students up to university standards because they were coming out of high school not ready.

    And a quote from a test provider, Brighterly:

    “According to standardized math testing statistics PDF files researched, student performance has worsened since the pandemic and is not improving dramatically.”

    https://brighterly.com/blog/standardized-testing-statistics/

    We’ve failed our kids. Many times over. All generations.

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      Standardised tests started as tools to do racism without directly doing racism.

      Low test scores in the U.S. actually just measure the fact that it provides roughly the same education to every student instead of what most other countries do and filter students out if their scores aren’t high enough in elementary school.