<as Zoiberg> Look at me, I am surprised! /s
Friendly reminder from a yank… Don’t let them manipulate your country too, these people are the same people that caused interference in our elections and want to annex Greenland. There’s a reason elons grandfather’s “technocracy limited” was banned in Canada around ww2…
Its really not that hard to understand. The US wants oil, the end.
Its the reason for what happened in Venezuela
Its the reason why Iran is happening
Its the reason why this shit in Alberta is happening. While the other two went through violence, this is going through spies and AI lies.
Seriously, people behind this should be convicted of treason.
The US wants oil, the end.
Not only oil. Canada has a lot of other resources under the ground that they want as well.
And, of course, all that precious water.
Of course youtube wilñ not remove that or remove the idf chsnnel but they are removing iranian lego videos
Im with a lot of Albertans who are (rightly) ticked off at how much our province has been taken advantage of by the east for decades now. We DO want to voice our displeasure (thus the Convoy) and Im uncomfortable but see the necessity of the sabre rattling as a tool for negotiating a fairer deal for Alberta in Ottawa. It’s worked for Quebec for years, we’re just copying their strategy.
But will separation actually happen? Nope. The clear majority don’t support it. Would some in America like it? Sure, they already buy our oil at a huge discount, they would love it if they just owned it all. But you gotta be a whole lot of wingnut to believe that jumping into bed with the shitshow that is the US administration would be in any way better than what we have now. There are definitely some separatists here, but they are a small but loud minority.
Duh. Propaganda is cheap as fuck right now.
Cheap as fuck to buy one-off. Expensive as fuck to fully saturate the market.
My handful of run-ins with online advertising have only sold me more and more on Dead Internet Theory. You really need to unload your wallet if you want a meaningful online presence. Otherwise, you’re just pissing down the sewer.
Don’t worry, the Yanks hate each other so much, they will turn on each other long before Canada ever does
We actually like each other and know how good we have it
Stay strong hosers
If you’re Canadian and you don’t wonder why this isnt the richest society on earth…and that doesn’t make you angry…
And then albertans realize most of that wealth is in their back yard… It makes sense why they want to separate. I’d probably want to aswell
US submission is why. They set it up to steal all our wealth. We ship oil from Alberta to Houston then buy it back after all the value is added.
This is so stupid. Maybe we should create a bunch of independent little Vatican-like countries around each oil well. What a bunch of money and power clowns. The world is moving past all of that and they still haven’t figured it out yet.
‘The world is moving past all that’ is highly inaccurate. The world still runs on diesel and gas - if it didn’t the Strait of Hormuz being blocked wouldn’t matter, but it obviously does and the whole world is feeling the pinch right now. We’re using and going to use oil for decades to come.
I think the West is just fed up with sending billions back to Ottawa in exchange for nothing.
For example… Ottawa has given away $25.5 billion to Ukraine. Think how many hospitals or walk in clinics that could build nationwide
This is the train of thought of westerners right now
Medical care is a provincial issue, blame your province not the federal government
Also as a Ukrainian Canadian, I don’t think you have any idea about how close the two nations are and essentially how many Ukrainians are your neighbours if you live in the west.
Yes medial care is provincial - but Alberta’s beef is that we send billions out east and dont get any of it back. If we didn’t have to send it, we could have billions to spend on our own services. Meanwhile other provinces (not mentioning any names, eh, Quebec?) take billions every year while playing the ‘have not’ province game because they dont count their rich hydro electric as a resource in the equalization formula. We’re being gamed and everyone, including Ottawa, knows it but they dont want to piss off Quebecers and lose their votes so they keep this unfair system going.
but Alberta’s beef is that we send billions out east and dont get any of it back.
Except that pipeline that Trudeau built for Alberta.
Or the health transfers that Trudeau was trying to send to the provinces, but every conservative provincial government rejected it because the feds wanted guarantees that the money would be specifically used for Healthcare and nothing else.
And those are only 2 of the biggest ones in recent years.
Ok, the use of “any” isn’t accurate. We dont get MOST of it back. We send about 20 billion a year more to Ottawa than we get back. Compared to what Ottawa takes, the “gift” of a pipeline isn’t exactly altruistic of Ottawa considering the billions in tax revenue it generates.
Exactly, just look at Norway where they nationalized oil. This could’ve been us.
But the government of Alberta fucked it up. Not Canada.
I mean there was a fuck up at a national level as well. Canada gutted its publicly owned oil assets and handed the whole show over to private capital. This is a textbook case of neoliberalism doing exactly what it says on the tin.
Back in the 70s and early 80s, there was actually a wave of state intervention. The feds were terrified of American control of our resources, so in 1975 Trudeau created Petro-Canada as a federal Crown corporation. Out west, provinces followed suit with Saskatchewan starting SaskOil in 1973.
But then Mulroney’s PC swept into power in 1984. Mulroney immediately began gutting the nationalist energy policies at the federal level. The process of killing Petro-Canada as a public entity began in 1990 when they sold the first shares to the public. This was an ideologically driven decision.
Alberta absolutely loved the whole privatization wave and by the time Ralph Klein was Premier in the 90s, the province was already deep into deregulation. Alberta had successfully argued that Ottawa should get out of the business entirely and leave it to the free market i.e., the multinationals, and the feds finally sold their last shares in Petro-Canada in 2004.
The federal Liberals under Chretien and Martin finished the job Mulroney started because they had fully adopted Third Way politics . They didn’t want to own oil companies and they wanted tax revenue. Meanwhile, Alberta uses the memory of the hated National Energy Program from 1980 as a cudgel to this day. Any time Ottawa tries to regulate emissions or climate change, Alberta screams separation and Ottawa is killing us.
And now the profits are privatized to shareholders and CEOs, while the environmental destruction is socialized onto the public and the planet. Alberta continues to act like a victim of federal overreach while simultaneously demanding that Ottawa build pipelines and bail out the industry whenever prices crash. It’s capitalism all the way down. The public built the infrastructure and took the risk and the private sector took the winnings.
I forgot this was lemmy.ml lol now your comment makes much more sense. 💯 agree they both sold our soul to the devil.
I was tracking with you til that last paragraph. Alberta does NOT want Ottawa to build pipelines, we want Ottawa to get out of the way and stop blocking them with so many regulations that no company wants to invest here. Billions in investment has fled the province. And if they did build one, they wouldnt be allowed to ship it out because there’s a tanker ban on the west coast (which there isn’t on the east coast, go figure).
Alberta doesnt ask for bailouts, we just want Ottawa to stop blocking our main resource. We could be supplying the world with tons of LNG if Trudeau hadn’t said there’s ‘no business case’ for selling when countries came knocking. Look at where we’d be now if he hadn’t been so myopic.
Alberta absolutely does ask for bail outs and cries every time the price of oil drops. Meanwhile, Alberta demanding that we just throw regulations out of the window and destroy the environment to build pipelines on the cheap is the real myopia. If Alberta wasn’t just giving oil away to Americans, then Alberta could be rich beyond belief along with the rest of Canada. Instead, Alberta hasn’t even bothered investing in domestic refining infrastructure allowing American companies to plunder national resources in Canada.
You are correct that in 2018, Ottawa gave a $1.6-billion aid package aimed at assisting the oil and gas sector through loan guarantees and investments. Meanwhile, in 2024, Alberta’s GDP was approximately 474 billion, a major net contributor to federal finances, providing over 20 billion more in taxes than it receives back in federal spending.
So, if that little 1.6 billion loan/investment was your version of a “bailout every time prices crash” have at 'er, but its obviously not true. We don’t need bailouts, we’re providing 15% of Canada’s overall economic health and we give FAR more to Ottawa than Ottawa gives to us.
First off, you are seriously downplaying the bailout history. That $1.6 billion in 2018 was pocket change compared to the COVID era blank check. In 2020, Ottawa bought the Trans Mountain pipeline for $4.5 billion. Then they spent another $9 billion on construction. That is the federal government becoming a pipeline operator because private capital refused to touch it. Then came the $1.7 billion abandonment fund for orphan wells. Then the $15 billion in loan guarantees and tax deferrals. Then the $2.2 billion for methane cleanup. The list goes on and on. The fossil fuel sector has received over $70 billion in public money since 2020 by some estimates. So spare me the little 1.6 billion routine.
Second, the whole net contributor argument is a trick. Yes, Alberta sends more tax revenue to Ottawa than it gets back in transfers. That is literally how a federation works. Ontario also does that. British Columbia also does that. The entire point of equalization is to pool resources so people in PEI and Manitoba can have hospitals and schools. However, Alberta itself benefits massively from that system. The banks, the RCMP, the EI system, and the border security that keeps your exports flowing are all paid for by federal tax dollars that Alberta businesses and workers also use. You think the oil would just magically float to tankers without coast guard icebreakers paid for by everyone?
Third, the oil industry itself is not the net contributor you think it is. Most of those corporate profits leave the country going to Suncor, Cenovus, and Imperial. Their shareholders are in New York, London, and Toronto. The royalty regime in Alberta has always been a joke. Norway saved a trillion dollars from its oil while Alberta saved a big fat nothing. So when you say Alberta provides 15% of Canada’s GDP, what you really mean is a handful of multinational corporations extract a non renewable resource, ship the raw bitumen out, keep most of the profit, wreck the land, and then Alberta points to the tax withholding and says look how generous we are.
To sum up, Alberta blew the windfall on tax cuts for the wealthy, and now demands a gold star for paying its bills like every other province.
A few trillion dollar fund is what we could have had.
sigh…
Well . . . Yeah. Youtube and everywhere else is swimming with russian bots.
Sees something American happening in America… RUZZIAN BOTS! Peak intellect on display. 🤌
[Redneck in Alabama does something racist]
Liberals: “See Russia did this, all bad things in America aren’t our fault!”
I imagine the whole thing comes down to libs thinking that the western system is the peak of human development. So when they see it failing visibly, they can’t accept that there might be structural problems within liberalism itself that are the cause. And thus it must be nefarious foreign actors and their collaborators trying to tear down their perfect society. This was perfectly summed up in the whole garden and jungle slip by Borrell.
Here, Bruges is a good example of the European garden. Yes, Europe is a garden. We have built a garden. Everything works. It is the best combination of political freedom, economic prosperity and social cohesion that the humankind has been able to build - the three things together. And here, Bruges is maybe a good representation of beautiful things, intellectual life, wellbeing.
The rest of the world – and you know this very well, Federica – is not exactly a garden. Most of the rest of the world is a jungle, and the jungle could invade the garden. The gardeners should take care of it, but they will not protect the garden by building walls. A nice small garden surrounded by high walls in order to prevent the jungle from coming in is not going to be a solution. Because the jungle has a strong growth capacity, and the wall will never be high enough in order to protect the garden.
The gardeners have to go to the jungle. Europeans have to be much more engaged with the rest of the world. Otherwise, the rest of the world will invade us, by different ways and means.
MAGA is inherently Russian propaganda, prove me wrong
No. MAGA is inherently American propaganda and the whole Russiagate thing has been thoroughly debunked. MAGA is as American as apple pie kiddo.
Thoroughly a Russian operation, try again
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/russia-today-maga-influencers/
Try again yourself when you learn basic math. The amount of money these influencers received from Russia is a drop in a bucket. US right wing oligarchs literally spent billions funding MAGA. Musk alone spent ungodly amounts buying twitter. But hey, I didn’t expect blueMAGA champ here to be rational. You people are just a mirror of the same cult.
Both of you sound irgnorant as fuck
You both understand that things are going on that have a lotmof moving parts, most of which you don’t see? Pretending to be “the one” who does know and understand it all is disingenuous at best
Nice straw man there. Nowhere did I say that things aren’t complicated. I’m literally pointing out that claiming Russia somehow controls MAGA is simplistic to the point of idiocy here. The US is a huge country with an insane amount of money being poured into politics. Claiming all the problems in US are somehow the result of foreign interference is the height of idiocy.
Alberta is in Canada.
And propaganda is coming from south of the border. Perhaps you failed geography at school and think that’s Russia?
It is very likely an overlap of both.
Many of the things Trump has been doing are the sorts of things that are more beneficial for Putin’s interests than they are for the interests of US citizens.
Nah, what Trump is doing is beneficial to the interests of the oligarchs who own the US. He works in the interests Thiel, Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Koch brothers, and so on. Meanwhile, the whole conspiracy theory that Russia controls Trump is absolutely hilarious when you look at the fact that he’s surrounded by zionists and that Israel literally brags how Americans report to them on everything they do.
Oh it’s imported propaganda eh. Hm. I guess there really is only one place that could be from then. /s
Again, watches Americans trying to annex part of Canada and keeps braying about Russia. Really should check yourself for brainworms asap.
Man, America isn’t “trying to annex” Alberta. No one in America, who isn’t a sociopathic demented rapist, wants to “annex” any part of Canada.
There is a . . . “school of thought” for lack of a better word, that supports multiple divisioning efforts such as Brexit, Texit, Calexit, and yes Albexit or wtfe they end up calling it (See also: Germany). And that school is very much in league with the FSB both financially and politically.
You need to know this because this russian-puppet fascist mountain of shit we’re under down here, the MAGA politics, is coming for you. Cambridge Analytica tactics haven’t changed. It works the same way every time.
Its not impossible. The states took over Venezuela, an oil rich country, and shortly after declared a war that disrupted oil supply and production in the middle east. I highly doubt these two actions are not connected in some way. Alberta could be one of the next targets as America tries to secure energy and mineral dominance in the west aas well as secure more food and water.
America is literally funding a separatist movement in Canada and their rapist in charge has openly talked about making Canada the 51st state. Also, big news to me that Koch brothers, Thiel, Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos are Russian. Or maybe Tim Cook, who donated a million to Trump’s inauguration and gifted him a gold plaque, is Russian. Sure fooled me.
The US is a fascist state that’s a menace to the world, and that’s been raping and pillaging this planet since its inception. This travesty of a nation was literally built on genocide that inspired German nazis.
You keep on braying about Russia though there being the useful idiot that you are. Fuck the Burger Reich and the scum who carry water for it. You are all complicit.
