Won’t succeed in removing him from office and “pointless” are not the same thing.
A referendum on his abhorrent behavior as president is absolutely called for. And a spotlight on the complicity of the entire Republican party is worth making hay out of. Jefferies is a spineless jellyfish who should be primaried out of political existence.
A referendum on his abhorrent behavior as president is absolutely called for.
Sure, but of the “torches and pitchforks” style of referendum and not in the “meaningless symbolic gesture within a broken system where you can’t do anything” style. Otherwise you’re just wasting time and energy on meaningless political theater.
Jefferies is a spineless jellyfish who should be primaried out of political existence.
100%. I’d be happy to see an effective referendum on his behavior too. Just over the actual bad things he’s done and not because the way he dances on stage isn’t to your liking.
Disagree, because I think a big part of politics is posturing, arguing, presenting your data as best you can, and putting on a show to get people charged enough to get off the couch. Its manufacturing support. So Jeffries job should be much more than just occasionally voting.
Right? Genuinely what the fuck is impeachment doing at this point? Nothing. The answer, at best, is obviously “nothing”, and you’d have to be deluded to think otherwise.
I don’t even mean the obvious inevitability that it wouldn’t remove Trump; I mean that, at best, it wouldn’t sway public opinion effectively whatsoever. Trump right now is hanging himself by his own noose, and if anything, an impeachment could put angry Republicans on the defensive by redirecting their attention through a partisan lens.
Impeachment should not be a priority; it’s patently a waste of time at this point, especially if Democrats win a House majority and can at least work to meaningfully slow Republicans’ flood of garbage.
I’m not even going to dignify this with a smarmy “wow, look at the strategic genius on display here” and breakdown of why this is dumb, because that’d be an insult to other people reading this.
This is plainly the dumbest idea imaginable. House Democrats impotently jerking themselves off on the national stage over and over again is a strategy completely divorced from reality; Trump, by being such an astoundingly terrible leader, may have given them one more chance to turn the country around, and the second they actually seize on that (see: the article), your grand idea is to overshadow Republicans’ ire toward Trump and piss away all precious political momentum in a torturously useless quagmire of “orange man bad!” instead of at least attempting something feasibly useful.
Just agonizingly stupid. Also, you clearly have zero idea how “slowing down Republicans’ flood of garbage” (notice I didn’t say “legislation”; I meant generally) works if you think that it helps to hold impeachment hearings over and over if Democrats already have the majority.
Congress’s main duties are legislation, budgeting and impeachment. To fully realize those powers they need a super majority or a cooperative president, and they’ll have neither.
The administration will veto any legislation and has fucked with budgets. There is quite literally nothing useful Congress can do (unless you think they’ll have a sufficient super-majority) except obstruct or compromise with fascists.
If they had the power to do anything useful I would expect several Constitutional amendments to top the list along with impeaching the whole executive branch and some Supreme Court justices. But they won’t have that so what performative bullshit would you rather have them do?
I would rather have them do “performative bullshit” about things that actually affect people’s lives in a real, material way. Take a popular, progressive issue (or issues) and hammer it in repeatedly that you’re the side trying to help people and the Republicans are blocking you.
They could be coming out with like, abolish ICE, end the war in Iran, give people healthcare, etc. It would still be “performative bullshit” in the sense that they don’t have the votes, but it would allow them to define a positive platform consistent with the public interest rather than simply running on being anti-Trump.
They won’t, because the interest groups opposing the public interests are too entrenched for them to even pretend to go against them, but it would certainly be better messaging than “vote for us, and we’ll impeach Trump (again, with no consequence).”
Just look at the reaction to the proposed minimum wage hike.
“They’re only pushing this bill now because they know it won’t pass”
“This will make inflation skyrocket”
“This will kill small businesses”
Blah blah blah…
The same song and dance happens for every bill. Universal health care? “Boohoo my taxes, waiting lines, traaaaans…”
Abolish ICE [through budget whack a mole due to veto]? “Dems are destroying the country, another Dem shut down, they want illegals to take your job…”
Limit Iran war? “Unconstitutional, un-American, they hate the troops, antisemitic…”
There is one clear and obvious problem that is much harder to equivocate: the admin is shitting all over the constitution and lining their own pockets at our expense. The abductions are right there, the paper trail is right there, the election rigging is right there, the pedophilia is right there, the economic and material damage is everywhere.
it would certainly be better messaging than "vote for us, and we’ll impeach Trump…
Idk, being a contrarian got Trump elected after a brutal first term because eggs were expensive. You think it’s not gonna work with these gas prices??
If you care about policy then stump for progressives and call for corporate ghouls to get primaried. But when you’re talking about keeping a sliver of a chance to resuscitate the USA’s corpse then veto is the only answer.
Impeaching would be a pointless game.
Won’t succeed in removing him from office and “pointless” are not the same thing.
A referendum on his abhorrent behavior as president is absolutely called for. And a spotlight on the complicity of the entire Republican party is worth making hay out of. Jefferies is a spineless jellyfish who should be primaried out of political existence.
Sure, but of the “torches and pitchforks” style of referendum and not in the “meaningless symbolic gesture within a broken system where you can’t do anything” style. Otherwise you’re just wasting time and energy on meaningless political theater.
100%. I’d be happy to see an effective referendum on his behavior too. Just over the actual bad things he’s done and not because the way he dances on stage isn’t to your liking.
Disagree, because I think a big part of politics is posturing, arguing, presenting your data as best you can, and putting on a show to get people charged enough to get off the couch. Its manufacturing support. So Jeffries job should be much more than just occasionally voting.
Not only that but defending himself from impeachment takes resources away from all the other awful shit Trump is doing.
Right? Genuinely what the fuck is impeachment doing at this point? Nothing. The answer, at best, is obviously “nothing”, and you’d have to be deluded to think otherwise.
I don’t even mean the obvious inevitability that it wouldn’t remove Trump; I mean that, at best, it wouldn’t sway public opinion effectively whatsoever. Trump right now is hanging himself by his own noose, and if anything, an impeachment could put angry Republicans on the defensive by redirecting their attention through a partisan lens.
Impeachment should not be a priority; it’s patently a waste of time at this point, especially if Democrats win a House majority and can at least work to meaningfully slow Republicans’ flood of garbage.
I don’t follow your logic here. You know what slows a flood of garbage legislation? Forcing impeachment over and over
I’m not even going to dignify this with a smarmy “wow, look at the strategic genius on display here” and breakdown of why this is dumb, because that’d be an insult to other people reading this.
This is plainly the dumbest idea imaginable. House Democrats impotently jerking themselves off on the national stage over and over again is a strategy completely divorced from reality; Trump, by being such an astoundingly terrible leader, may have given them one more chance to turn the country around, and the second they actually seize on that (see: the article), your grand idea is to overshadow Republicans’ ire toward Trump and piss away all precious political momentum in a torturously useless quagmire of “orange man bad!” instead of at least attempting something feasibly useful.
Just agonizingly stupid. Also, you clearly have zero idea how “slowing down Republicans’ flood of garbage” (notice I didn’t say “legislation”; I meant generally) works if you think that it helps to hold impeachment hearings over and over if Democrats already have the majority.
Congress’s main duties are legislation, budgeting and impeachment. To fully realize those powers they need a super majority or a cooperative president, and they’ll have neither.
The administration will veto any legislation and has fucked with budgets. There is quite literally nothing useful Congress can do (unless you think they’ll have a sufficient super-majority) except obstruct or compromise with fascists.
If they had the power to do anything useful I would expect several Constitutional amendments to top the list along with impeaching the whole executive branch and some Supreme Court justices. But they won’t have that so what performative bullshit would you rather have them do?
I would rather have them do “performative bullshit” about things that actually affect people’s lives in a real, material way. Take a popular, progressive issue (or issues) and hammer it in repeatedly that you’re the side trying to help people and the Republicans are blocking you.
They could be coming out with like, abolish ICE, end the war in Iran, give people healthcare, etc. It would still be “performative bullshit” in the sense that they don’t have the votes, but it would allow them to define a positive platform consistent with the public interest rather than simply running on being anti-Trump.
They won’t, because the interest groups opposing the public interests are too entrenched for them to even pretend to go against them, but it would certainly be better messaging than “vote for us, and we’ll impeach Trump (again, with no consequence).”
Just look at the reaction to the proposed minimum wage hike.
Blah blah blah…
The same song and dance happens for every bill. Universal health care? “Boohoo my taxes, waiting lines, traaaaans…”
Abolish ICE [through budget whack a mole due to veto]? “Dems are destroying the country, another Dem shut down, they want illegals to take your job…”
Limit Iran war? “Unconstitutional, un-American, they hate the troops, antisemitic…”
There is one clear and obvious problem that is much harder to equivocate: the admin is shitting all over the constitution and lining their own pockets at our expense. The abductions are right there, the paper trail is right there, the election rigging is right there, the pedophilia is right there, the economic and material damage is everywhere.
Idk, being a contrarian got Trump elected after a brutal first term because eggs were expensive. You think it’s not gonna work with these gas prices??
If you care about policy then stump for progressives and call for corporate ghouls to get primaried. But when you’re talking about keeping a sliver of a chance to resuscitate the USA’s corpse then veto is the only answer.