Removing Trump requires 67 votes in the senate. There is no mathematical way to get those numbers in November. I don’t agree with him, but I understand where he is coming from.
Now is the time for a bold declaration of what we’re not going to do!
There is a way in the November mid-terms. You’re just naysaying for the sake of it. But I understand where you’re coming from.
Requires the dems winning nearly every race because the maximum they could get up to is 69 right now.
The dems do have an advantage though. There are more republican seats up for re-election than democrat ones.
I’d like him gone but it would be fun for him to stick around while a lot of his bad work is dismantled.
Vote that fucker out.
Fuck this guy
Jefferies never was impressive to me
Jeffries incumbency no longer a top priority for dems once they win House majority
this just in from everyone hearing his weak-ass bullshit
I can’t believe I voted for this bullshit motherfucker twice just because I thought he was cute and he flirted with me once. like I organized for him. I knocked on (possibly thousands of) doors for him. I marched through streets for this useless motherfucker! canvassing and al that endless campaign bullshit… FOR MONTHS!!!
and all for this? FOR THIS MEANINGLESS BULLSHIT NOTHING OF A STATE REP?? AAAARRGHH!!!
One of the problems with the Democratic Party is that the number one quality for choosing leadership is how well they fundraise. Obviously this makes leadership beholden to those with the biggest pockets, like AIPAC.
We need to primary every Democrat incumbent who isn’t a progressive in action as well as rhetoric.
If it makes you feel any better, he’s still undoubtedly better than whatever Republican ran against him.
And it begins.
“Let’s move past thus” “We have to think about the future” “We need to reach across the table”
Fuck these corrupt politicians. They know what Trump is and just want more after a short break.
The sound of the ratchet clanking shut as the overton window locks into place so that it can shift right once more.
I mean, I’m not even gonna say Hakeem Jeffries is corrupt (because I don’t really know), but I sure as shit am gonna say that he’s a do-nothing coward piece of shit. And that’s just as bad. He needs to go!
We can get rid of him in the primary.
That website isn’t visible for me as a foreigner, but I checked his answers on the Ballotpedia questionnaire. Seems like we agree on a lot of things. Good luck, Americans. These could be the most important midterms of your lives.
Good for you for putting in the effort though. Every drop counts, even if some arsehat comes along and steals your effort. You still did your best.
Is this idiot trying to lose the midterms?
I suspect the answer is actually “yes”. AIPAC has spoken, they like trump.
When asked if impeachment was a top priority, Jeffries said “of course not” during an appearance on “Fox News Sunday.”
“I’ve made clear from the very beginning that our top priority is going to be to drive down the high cost of living,” the House minority leader added.
Sounds like he’s trying to win the midterms.
Sure, drive down the cost of living … by impeaching Trump and getting rid of his dumbass tariffs.
I really hope he gets primaried
Is there some way both parties can lose the midterms?
If enough people vote for a different party.
I’m hoping there plan is to treat him like a stupid old feeb, and they’re saying this with a big wink.
The democrats only want to bring us back to the exact conditions that brought us Trump.
If only we can work hard to get him a majority, Jeffries promises he will only use it to play games strictly in his lane instead of actually leading and actively opposing trumps wild overreaches and global shenanigans. Thats heartening.
Impeaching would be a pointless game.
Impeaching would be a pointless game.
Disagree, because I think a big part of politics is posturing, arguing, presenting your data as best you can, and putting on a show to get people charged enough to get off the couch. Its manufacturing support. So Jeffries job should be much more than just occasionally voting.
Not only that but defending himself from impeachment takes resources away from all the other awful shit Trump is doing.
Right? Genuinely what the fuck is impeachment doing at this point? Nothing. The answer, at best, is obviously “nothing”, and you’d have to be deluded to think otherwise.
I don’t even mean the obvious inevitability that it wouldn’t remove Trump; I mean that, at best, it wouldn’t sway public opinion effectively whatsoever. Trump right now is hanging himself by his own noose, and if anything, an impeachment could put angry Republicans on the defensive by redirecting their attention through a partisan lens.
Impeachment should not be a priority; it’s patently a waste of time at this point, especially if Democrats win a House majority and can at least work to meaningfully slow Republicans’ flood of garbage.
I don’t follow your logic here. You know what slows a flood of garbage legislation? Forcing impeachment over and over
Forcing impeachment over and over
I’m not even going to dignify this with a smarmy “wow, look at the strategic genius on display here” and breakdown of why this is dumb, because that’d be an insult to other people reading this.
This is plainly the dumbest idea imaginable. House Democrats impotently jerking themselves off on the national stage over and over again is a strategy completely divorced from reality; Trump, by being such an astoundingly terrible leader, may have given them one more chance to turn the country around, and the second they actually seize on that (see: the article), your grand idea is to overshadow Republicans’ ire toward Trump and piss away all precious political momentum in a torturously useless quagmire of “orange man bad!” instead of at least attempting something feasibly useful.
Just agonizingly stupid. Also, you clearly have zero idea how “slowing down Republicans’ flood of garbage” (notice I didn’t say “legislation”; I meant generally) works if you think that it helps to hold impeachment hearings over and over if Democrats already have the majority.
Congress’s main duties are legislation, budgeting and impeachment. To fully realize those powers they need a super majority or a cooperative president, and they’ll have neither.
The administration will veto any legislation and has fucked with budgets. There is quite literally nothing useful Congress can do (unless you think they’ll have a sufficient super-majority) except obstruct or compromise with fascists.
If they had the power to do anything useful I would expect several Constitutional amendments to top the list along with impeaching the whole executive branch and some Supreme Court justices. But they won’t have that so what performative bullshit would you rather have them do?
How to lose votes 101
For real. Im voting for candidates who are going to flip the script and show them how Trumps new precedents can be flexed back.
We need more candidates like Kat Abughazaleh
Fuuuuuuuuuck you, buddy.
Fuck that, even without the votes in the Senate, make them go through the process anyway. Get all the evidence in public.
Getting that fucker out of office should be a priority. Along with Schumer and any other trash that voted along with the Pedo Party.
Then impeach the Pedo-in-Chief.
Then impeach the Pedo-in-Chief.
wont get thru the senate, so it’s performative. has been impeached before… twice and still got reelected.
Please VOTE Democrats in the Primary so we can
Impeach Trump!Repeal Trump’s HURTFUL Legislations!Pass MEANINGFUL Legislation!Do what Trump asks us to Do!It shouldn’t be, because unless there’s a 2/3rds majority in the Senate it will be the exact same as the last two times.
Performative impeachment is pointless. Draft good legislation, then either let the Senate shoot it down or Trump veto it, and hold them all accountable in the '28 election.
I can think of three problems with this way of thinking:
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Trump has committed impeachable offenses, and to act otherwise cedes reality itself. It loses the game before even playing, and normalizes impeachable conduct. For a narcissistic sociopath like Trump and his Wormtongue Miller, this is an invitation to continue to ignore the Constitution. Their conduct will get worse without impeachment.
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The impeachment process itself changes public opinion. A recent story said that Trump’s approval is already at Nixon’s lowest point during Watergate. Republicans likely will do nothing, I get it, but impeachment forces them to stand up for a traitor. When push comes to shove, they may flinch. We won’t know until we try.
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The corollary of Democrats’ choice to “focus on other agenda” is true here: Republicans can’t focus on Project 2025 if they’re spending all their time defending against impeachment. Right now a depressing amount of Project 2025 has been pushed through, so ending their offensive is itself a win.
- People want Trump to face consequences; and that’s a not-insignificant motivation for voters. If they want to win in november, and win in 2028, they’re going to have to be seen as doing everything within their power to fight this bastard; and they’re simply not.
- this message screams of “who the fuck cares about justice anyways?”
He absolutely has committed impeachable offenses, the problem is we need 67 votes in the Senate to convict him and the Senate absolutely will not do it.
So we’d end up with the same results as the last two times, Susan Collins and “I think he learned his lesson” and all that.
Nobody held the Senators accountable either. So there’s no point even pretending at this point.
What moves the needle is flipping the House in '26, getting good legislation passed, then holding the House in '28, flipping the Senate, and winning the Presidency.
THEN we can talk about the best ways to change the system.
I’d start with upper end age limits across the board for all three branches. It would need an amendment to do that.
Ideally, make it so convicted felons can’t be President.
And term limits.
Sorry to respond so abstractly, but, I think the main lesson the modern political era has is: be a tactician, not a strategist.
A strategist may plan twelve moves ahead, but has a huge Achilles heel. They won’t move until they are sure there is a winning path.
A tactician weighs the costs and benefits of acting in the moment, and acts in a way that improves position even without having a clear path to victory.
Putin is a tactician. For example, he flooded the US with propaganda and leaked emails starting in 2015 to do nothing except destabilize an adversary, kept it up as a cheap side-bet, and ended up getting two Trump terms in return. He attacked Ukraine without a clear plan, and will probably end up (I hope not, but probably - in conjunction with the last sentence) with semi-legitimized control of Donbas and Luhansk.
Republicans are tacticians. They kept attacking “Obamacare” despite healthcare being a top issue with voters and offering no alternative, and eventually the weight of their attacks made it so unpopular, voters were voting in politicians promising to remove it, despite that it would remove their own healthcare. They have been tacticians for a years with voter suppression (they succeeded in getting many state governments, the House, and so on). Stephen Miller is a tactician, and we saw it in how he kept pushing ICE’s unconstitutional policies.
The point is that each move we make, even without a clear strategy to the final goal, itself changes the reality on the ground. And tacticians are winning because their maneuvers take weeks, each time a free swing and way of moving the reality, the Overton windows, a little closer to their goal. If they fail, they have five other plans brewing, all free swings. Meanwhile, strategists’ maneuvers take years to show any effect. No long-term strategy adapts fast enough to counter those tactics.
We have become the stereotype of that republican quote: They act, we react; and while we react, they act again, changing the reality and killing our still-gestating plans.
So I’d humbly argue: The only way out of this is not to wait until 2028 (2029, actually, before a new president is hypothetically seated). It’s to act, now, using every legal tool we have, even if we don’t know the full path to victory.
There are legal tools besides impeachment, but like I say, it’s not a matter of not knowing the full path to victory when it comes to impeachment, there literally is no path to victory. Plus the legal tools are currently controlled by the opposition.
If 2026 goes the way we expect, the 50% majority in the House will be easy enough.
If we want impeachment, we have to run on it now. Get No Kings to swing the Senate races.
Right now it’s 53 Republican, 45 Democratic, 2 Independent (caucusing with Democrats).
33 Senate seats are up for re-election in '26, we need to flip 22 seats to win impeachment, maybe only 20 if Collins and Murkowski are willing to play ball. 4 seats will flip control, but control is not enough to impeach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_elections
If we can’t get 20-22 Senate seats, there is no point pushing impeachment. It only has the desired effect of making the Democrats look bad and that hurts them in the run up to '28.
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I don’t see why performative impeachment is more or less pointless than performative legislation. I would say they should do both; I think it is important to get on record who is for and against things. Although in this case, given that he has been impeached before, I am willing to accept the political calculus that a third performative attempt may not be beneficial.
Performative impeachment lets the Republicans play the victim card in '28.
Passing good legislation that gets defeated by Republicans in the Senate or vetoed by Trump gives them ammunition for even more flips in '28.
Republicans will play the victim card either way.
Which is why it’s important to hammer them with good, popular legislation.
Shouldn’t be so ham-tied that it’s not possible. Hell, why wait till mid-terms, get drafting now so things are ready on day one. Not like they’re doing anything productive or meaningful at the moment.
Except impeachment lets the Republicans play the victim card in '28. So impeachment both does nothing, and lets the Republicans go “See those Democrats are just mean!” in '28.
Instead, you pass good legislation and if the Republicans kill it, you hang them with it in '28.
“Living minimum wage? Republicans say no. Universl health care? Republicans say no. Functional immigration? Republicans say no.”
Way harder to do that if you hand them the loaded gun of a 3rd failed impeachment.
Except impeachment lets the Republicans play the victim card in '28.
They’re going to do that anyway. Don’t let their bullshit stop us from doing what’s right. Otherwise we’re just allowing him to continue his criminal activity with no pushback. And that depresses voter turnout.
