Should have hanged every confederate and this wouldn’t have happened. But America has never had the balls to do good when money can be made and evil can be done instead.
It is very naïve to assume racism only belonged to the Confederacy. Just because black folks were free in the North, doesn’t mean it was all sunshine and roses. This was inevitable from America’s founding as a white nation. It’s a sad, hapless truth; one that, as every society has, will bring us to collapse. So, stock up, play nice with neighbors, and ride out the fall of America.
racism was thier SOLE mission, beliefs, of course it was also in the north. but it fuel thier economy in thier south through segregaiton and slavery. the problem was not ELIMINATING the remaining confederacy strongholds.
Segregation was common across across the whole country. This whole country has always been racist. My point was this wasn’t a north south issue. It is the heart of America. What does it matter if we give people freedom and still starve them? What good is freedom if you have no home? What good is freedom if you’re still burning them? This is wasn’t progress in the north, it was trying to feign righteousness. America, all of it, is a racist country.
Were they ashamed when they segregated the black people? Were they ashamed when they economically crippled them at every turn? Were they ashamed when they made them sit in the back of their churches? Were they ashamed when they were forced to go to their own people’s colleges and universities, because they weren’t allowed admittance to the white school? This all happened in the north post Civil War. This was the endgame of America. Always has been and it’s been known since the beginning. It’s time to just sit back and watch the collapse of the empire. Nothing else to do. Racism will never fully be extinguished because it preys on our tribalistic instinct. Hard to overwrite that one.
Bro you’re not teaching anything anyone just being annoying. Yes, Lincoln and the rest of the North was racist, everybody knows that. But they still gave African-Americans the right to vote because they believed in democracy. The confederacy started a war to stop Black people from voting. There was a palpable difference. We don’t need racists to start liking minorities, we need democracy and freedom protected for all. And yes we should have hanged confederate leaders and this country would be decades more advanced right now.
Considering some of Europe started adopting some form of universal healthcare in the 1940s, that’s ~8 decades and counting, just for that one milestone of modern civilization.
We cant even get away from lead waterpipes and asbestos schools.
There are starving children in Africa* with better access to healthcare, clean water, and an education.
Oh, and internet.
* By American definition of “starving”, so like, ~1800kcal per day.
It was very nice to give them the right to vote, as long as they stayed far enough away from the whites. I’m just saying, it’s naïve to say that this level of racism was only fostered from the Confederacy. It’s tribalism. The most exceptional part of the human race. It’s what kept us alive long enough to evolve this way. Every single one of us is sucept to it. To think not is folly, friend. You have a level of anger in your heart that is best put aside for a sandwich with a friend. The world has not changed, it has always been this way. How you choose to react is your own. Peace and love to you.
it’s naïve to say that this level of racism was only fostered from the Confederacy
It’s not naive because Northen racism still fought a war to give African-Americans the right to be citizens. It objectively did not rise to the level of taking those voting rights away, which is what OP is about. Those are two distinct levels of racism is what I’m saying.
I get your point, but calling them the same is not accurate. The idea of the south was that black people were not people, and should only be counted for property.
You can still be racist and think that black people are people, but there’s levels to it, it’s not an on or off thing.
This said, it’s not representative of the whole south or the whole north, but the variance was absolutely enough to make progress.
Oh believe me I’m jaded as well. What we have going on right now is the opposite of progress. We’re headed toward fascism on a global scale. We’re already balls deep in the US.
I still think it’s important to call out the positives, even in a flawed setting because that can give a glimmer of hope, and without hope we’d just surrender. Fuck that. I’m too petty for that, and wrong is wrong.
It’s all the same or that’s not good enough or it could have been better shouldn’t get in the way of progress no matter how small. The difference between the north and south in that time may seem small now, but it was a massive difference for those that were affected. It was the catalyst that got us to the point we were at a decade ago (prior to the maga shift) which compared to north or south of the time is a monumental difference. Even a decade ago, we were no where near finished, but it was progress.
What is the difference between enslaving someone from not viewing them as equal and setting their house on fire with them in it, for not viewing them as equal? You bring up recent history saying things were getting better, even ten years ago. I disagree. The thing that brought it back out was electing a black president. And all those with racism in their hearts saw it as the end for them. So, they’re gonna make everyone pay for that. Because America has always been racist. It will never stop until whites in america are the minority.
If you think it was better, you missed the part where we vehemently imposed cruelty on Arabs in the past three decades.
That and “Operation Paperclip” (secret U.S. program that recruited over 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians from Nazi Germany after World War II to leverage their expertise for American military and technological advancements) I think are significant parts of what led us here. Those 1,600 people 100% had a reputation that made it easy for their children to attain powerful positions in politics or the law.
The fact governments (not just the US) happily opened its arms to Nazis just because they had talent, have solidified to me that WWII was not fought to protect “noble, human ideals,” like being anti-eugenicist or stopping the Holocaust because people genuinely cared about the Jews (just like nobody has done the same for the genocides that have happened after the Holocaust), but just money and power. The USA only joined WWII because they didn’t want the Nazis to “win the race.” It’s so gross the more you repeat it; feels like a race among a bunch of eugenicists, all of them. You then hear about that Jeffrey Epstein’s Zorro “Baby” Ranch where they planned to breed people like stock, to create a “super race.” The fact he easily and likely talked to most of our world leaders while doing that, the fact he was allowed for so long, not really stopped, and that he is easily not just the only one in this planet doing that right now either, he probably got replaced with someone more secretive, more “professional,” it just gets worse. We are cattle to the elite, they are probably doing this economic shock to “cull the weak” because I remember how vivid the discussion about “overpopulation” was during the early 2000s. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of our leaders are that goddamn stupid to believe we Humanity needs wars to keep overpopulation in check, to “evolve” and shit like that. Those are the people we should be putting in jail where they should make their own food, because I don’t want to fund their air.
I think most, if not all the leaders around the world are so corrupted with power they only care about keeping it. They are already beyond discussing racism, homophobia or xenophobia; they are tools to them, but not interests. Especially when you read that a lot of these people do hard drugs, are cucks who fuck eachothers’ wives, and of course, are pedophiles who have tried the most disgusting shit you can imagine because they are already bored of trying everything they can with their money. Eating a world-famous chef’s 5,000$ meal is not a mind-blowing experience to them anymore because they do it everyday. Fucking Victoria Secret models they paid a lot too, etc. They are literally people who make decisions that get thousands of people killed every day, they cannot be blind, they are just incredibly apathetic, psychopathic, it’s so hard to imagine for the average person.
People have to remember that all governments have close relationships with the countries’ mafias (I am a Mexican, and I am sure it’s super easy for you to imagine my government is riddled with mafiosos, but so is yours, no matter where are you from, even Japan is known for working close with the Yakuza. You really think the USA, Russia, China, any European country or place in the world doesn’t? You really think you are the only saints?). It’s a market they know they must control, they cannot erase it, they cannot erase ALL drugs off the world. Mafias are known for doing the worst things you can imagine: burning people; beheading a father or child in front of the other; rape or kidnap your son or daughter who has a disability like down syndrome just to make you do what they want you to do or else they torture, rape or kill them; threaten your family like it’s nothing, with a smile on their face, just to control you; the boss will take your wife if he wants to, and if you dare say anything, they will probably pay you a visit and cut off a toe or pull out a tooth to make you understand… Like, the government deals with that underworld everyday. They themselves play like that and you know that already, WikiLeaks proved a lot of that, about how Governments torture, commit war crimes, have ties with mafias, and shit never changes, it keeps repeating, it’s crazy how people shell themselves from all this and still see things with any bit of pink tones in it… The military is known for raping and doing incredible amounts of violence. They have to see the videos of hostages being mauled and killed, like ISIS’, or what is going on in Gaza. All these people abuse drugs, they are incredibly emotional, irrational, immature, violent, cynical, evil; they have it so easy to threaten your family and you cannot do anything about it because they can censor you, they own the media, social medias, newspapers, TV news channels, everything. They kill people everyday without getting their hands dirty. And people still think these things only happened before cameras were invented, or are super rare, but no, they are literally what “The Game” is.
The only people that can be in positions of power right now are the most psychopathic. It is not hard for them to act. If you think acting is a skill you can only see in movies and TV shows, and cannot be seen anywhere else, you are making a massive mistake. It is a talent anyone can practice and develop, for god’s sake, Hitler was famous for doing that, and it paid off, it made everything he said “look or feel more real to the Germans” and whatnot. To think the elite are not surrounded by psychologists, economists, scientists, heavily-connected people filled with rumors, the assholes who don’t give a fuck and will ask them to do something illegal like it’s a normal conversation because they have the money to buy entire cities, let alone judges/governors they themselves mega-donated to or whatever… It’s such a different world, I don’t think they see wars or everyday topics of discussion the same way we do.
We are all being played, distracted with bullshit. We must keep using every opportunity of discussion, argument, debate or insulting we see online to turn it about Class Warfare. Trump said something insanely racist about Obama? Don’t care, eat the rich, talk about how the rich are keeping you poor and distracted. Elon Musk shat himself? Don’t care. Eat the rich. Trump threatened with nuking an entire country, or half of the world? Don’t care. Eat the rich. What is he gonna do? Bomb us all until there is no Working Class left? Good luck. It’s the biggest flaws of nukes; the survivors will not accept whoever dropped it anymore. You won’t be able to force Humanity to do whatever you want by killing 50% of it, 80% of it, or even 100% of it which at that point is over. People will fucking hate you and they will remove you and replace you with someone who is the absolute opposite… and well, for so long they managed to lie to people and convince them that “communism/socialism means being dirty poor and a lazy fuck who doesn’t want to work and hates humanity”, but they are doing an amazing job at showing people the truth, that capitalism is actually that, the lazy fucks are the elite who don’t really know Algebra or Chemistry, they don’t write a single line of code or do absolutely anything meaningful for the product, they are just dudes with a lot of money who attracted talented artists because artists know they need the funding of someone big to be able to express themselves without limits. But what if we don’t rely on a few lazy fucks anymore, and instead rely on everyone as a whole? I don’t care if “technology” slows down a little, we need it to slow down. AI is replacing us all, it needs regulation or millions will keep starving to death or committing suicide. Being social, or working as a community, as the words communism and socialism imply, doesn’t mean being a lazy fuck or being broke, it’s the opposite, you work for the community, and community does the same. It won’t be perfect, human nature is what sucks the most, narcissism, lazy, jerks, jealously, traumas will still exist, that creates racism or discrimination in general. But fuck capitalism already, it only empowered these elite assholes so easily. We need to keep educating everyone as much as we can, that’s our biggest jab, and it has been working, to be honest. Compared to what the Internet used to think or be 20 years ago, we are so different now. It’s just that the assholes are not leaving quietly, that’s it. They are being super loud and hyping up the children to cheer them on, but just wait until those children grow up, man.
They will all realize some baby boomers had better lives than they had. 7+ children in average, a home at 19 years old, or at least a happy family of four without a college degree. The average age the current American is getting their first home at is 52 years old, not 19 anymore. The fertility rate used to be a solid constant 6.0+ for centuries before Reagan’s Trickle Down Economics, today, it’s a 1.5, which means, the amount of virgins, incels, single people, or couples not having children because it’s not feasible, are increasingly high. Sexual frustration can be a bitch. It’s so easy to squeeze it and channel it into hatred toward the elite. They are the ones who have all your money, afterall. They are the ones gatekeeping your future, your potential family, your bridge to the future like children, they are gatekeeping pussy for those who still talk like teenagers, man, fr, nocap, you are a virgin because you still think the elite deserve to live. You will never have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at your age because you still think the elite deserve to live. You cannot afford games at their full price, you have to wait for steam sales. You cry about RAM prices, housing or healthcare costs. Yet they’ll clap the 6 new yatches of Gabe Newell or whatever billionaire they cocksuck with their 6 teeth.
People still think the USA should be the World Police/Only Empire, when it shouldn’t.
I think you are right about WWII not being fought for higher ideals. That is the propaganda we got later on. Also, the connection between Nazism and the US is way stronger than you allude to. Ford and other industrialists helped bankroll the Nazi empire. Nazism was very popular in the US back then.
The US were not the good guys by any means. Those same wealthy industrialists lobbied against taking in the Jews when Hitler decided to expel them. They also helped reinforce anti-Jewish sentiment and made sure no one else would take the Jews in.
US companies like IBM gave material support to the Nazi as well. They developed the census system that was used to tattoo Jewish prisoners and then later helped out with the logistical efforts to make sure the optimal amount of Jews could be executed without backing up the trains.
As many people here on Lemmy are found of pointing out it was really Russia that did they heavy lifting of defeating the Nazi. The US showed up to take credit for solving the problem they helped create.
Should have hanged every confederate and this wouldn’t have happened. But America has never had the balls to do good when money can be made and evil can be done instead.
It is very naïve to assume racism only belonged to the Confederacy. Just because black folks were free in the North, doesn’t mean it was all sunshine and roses. This was inevitable from America’s founding as a white nation. It’s a sad, hapless truth; one that, as every society has, will bring us to collapse. So, stock up, play nice with neighbors, and ride out the fall of America.
racism was thier SOLE mission, beliefs, of course it was also in the north. but it fuel thier economy in thier south through segregaiton and slavery. the problem was not ELIMINATING the remaining confederacy strongholds.
*Their.
Segregation was common across across the whole country. This whole country has always been racist. My point was this wasn’t a north south issue. It is the heart of America. What does it matter if we give people freedom and still starve them? What good is freedom if you have no home? What good is freedom if you’re still burning them? This is wasn’t progress in the north, it was trying to feign righteousness. America, all of it, is a racist country.
On the scale of racists, I’ll take the ones that are ashamed of being that way over the loudly and proudly defiant ones.
Were they ashamed when they segregated the black people? Were they ashamed when they economically crippled them at every turn? Were they ashamed when they made them sit in the back of their churches? Were they ashamed when they were forced to go to their own people’s colleges and universities, because they weren’t allowed admittance to the white school? This all happened in the north post Civil War. This was the endgame of America. Always has been and it’s been known since the beginning. It’s time to just sit back and watch the collapse of the empire. Nothing else to do. Racism will never fully be extinguished because it preys on our tribalistic instinct. Hard to overwrite that one.
Bro you’re not teaching anything anyone just being annoying. Yes, Lincoln and the rest of the North was racist, everybody knows that. But they still gave African-Americans the right to vote because they believed in democracy. The confederacy started a war to stop Black people from voting. There was a palpable difference. We don’t need racists to start liking minorities, we need democracy and freedom protected for all. And yes we should have hanged confederate leaders and this country would be decades more advanced right now.
Considering some of Europe started adopting some form of universal healthcare in the 1940s, that’s ~8 decades and counting, just for that one milestone of modern civilization.
We cant even get away from lead waterpipes and asbestos schools.
There are starving children in Africa* with better access to healthcare, clean water, and an education.
Oh, and internet.
* By American definition of “starving”, so like, ~1800kcal per day.
It was very nice to give them the right to vote, as long as they stayed far enough away from the whites. I’m just saying, it’s naïve to say that this level of racism was only fostered from the Confederacy. It’s tribalism. The most exceptional part of the human race. It’s what kept us alive long enough to evolve this way. Every single one of us is sucept to it. To think not is folly, friend. You have a level of anger in your heart that is best put aside for a sandwich with a friend. The world has not changed, it has always been this way. How you choose to react is your own. Peace and love to you.
It’s not naive because Northen racism still fought a war to give African-Americans the right to be citizens. It objectively did not rise to the level of taking those voting rights away, which is what OP is about. Those are two distinct levels of racism is what I’m saying.
I get your point, but calling them the same is not accurate. The idea of the south was that black people were not people, and should only be counted for property.
You can still be racist and think that black people are people, but there’s levels to it, it’s not an on or off thing.
This said, it’s not representative of the whole south or the whole north, but the variance was absolutely enough to make progress.
I think the fundamental disagreement we have is, you have faith in progress; and I am jaded.
Oh believe me I’m jaded as well. What we have going on right now is the opposite of progress. We’re headed toward fascism on a global scale. We’re already balls deep in the US.
I still think it’s important to call out the positives, even in a flawed setting because that can give a glimmer of hope, and without hope we’d just surrender. Fuck that. I’m too petty for that, and wrong is wrong.
It’s all the same or that’s not good enough or it could have been better shouldn’t get in the way of progress no matter how small. The difference between the north and south in that time may seem small now, but it was a massive difference for those that were affected. It was the catalyst that got us to the point we were at a decade ago (prior to the maga shift) which compared to north or south of the time is a monumental difference. Even a decade ago, we were no where near finished, but it was progress.
What is the difference between enslaving someone from not viewing them as equal and setting their house on fire with them in it, for not viewing them as equal? You bring up recent history saying things were getting better, even ten years ago. I disagree. The thing that brought it back out was electing a black president. And all those with racism in their hearts saw it as the end for them. So, they’re gonna make everyone pay for that. Because America has always been racist. It will never stop until whites in america are the minority.
If you think it was better, you missed the part where we vehemently imposed cruelty on Arabs in the past three decades.
it is still an option
That and “Operation Paperclip” (secret U.S. program that recruited over 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians from Nazi Germany after World War II to leverage their expertise for American military and technological advancements) I think are significant parts of what led us here. Those 1,600 people 100% had a reputation that made it easy for their children to attain powerful positions in politics or the law.
The fact governments (not just the US) happily opened its arms to Nazis just because they had talent, have solidified to me that WWII was not fought to protect “noble, human ideals,” like being anti-eugenicist or stopping the Holocaust because people genuinely cared about the Jews (just like nobody has done the same for the genocides that have happened after the Holocaust), but just money and power. The USA only joined WWII because they didn’t want the Nazis to “win the race.” It’s so gross the more you repeat it; feels like a race among a bunch of eugenicists, all of them. You then hear about that Jeffrey Epstein’s Zorro “Baby” Ranch where they planned to breed people like stock, to create a “super race.” The fact he easily and likely talked to most of our world leaders while doing that, the fact he was allowed for so long, not really stopped, and that he is easily not just the only one in this planet doing that right now either, he probably got replaced with someone more secretive, more “professional,” it just gets worse. We are cattle to the elite, they are probably doing this economic shock to “cull the weak” because I remember how vivid the discussion about “overpopulation” was during the early 2000s. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of our leaders are that goddamn stupid to believe we Humanity needs wars to keep overpopulation in check, to “evolve” and shit like that. Those are the people we should be putting in jail where they should make their own food, because I don’t want to fund their air.
I think most, if not all the leaders around the world are so corrupted with power they only care about keeping it. They are already beyond discussing racism, homophobia or xenophobia; they are tools to them, but not interests. Especially when you read that a lot of these people do hard drugs, are cucks who fuck eachothers’ wives, and of course, are pedophiles who have tried the most disgusting shit you can imagine because they are already bored of trying everything they can with their money. Eating a world-famous chef’s 5,000$ meal is not a mind-blowing experience to them anymore because they do it everyday. Fucking Victoria Secret models they paid a lot too, etc. They are literally people who make decisions that get thousands of people killed every day, they cannot be blind, they are just incredibly apathetic, psychopathic, it’s so hard to imagine for the average person.
People have to remember that all governments have close relationships with the countries’ mafias (I am a Mexican, and I am sure it’s super easy for you to imagine my government is riddled with mafiosos, but so is yours, no matter where are you from, even Japan is known for working close with the Yakuza. You really think the USA, Russia, China, any European country or place in the world doesn’t? You really think you are the only saints?). It’s a market they know they must control, they cannot erase it, they cannot erase ALL drugs off the world. Mafias are known for doing the worst things you can imagine: burning people; beheading a father or child in front of the other; rape or kidnap your son or daughter who has a disability like down syndrome just to make you do what they want you to do or else they torture, rape or kill them; threaten your family like it’s nothing, with a smile on their face, just to control you; the boss will take your wife if he wants to, and if you dare say anything, they will probably pay you a visit and cut off a toe or pull out a tooth to make you understand… Like, the government deals with that underworld everyday. They themselves play like that and you know that already, WikiLeaks proved a lot of that, about how Governments torture, commit war crimes, have ties with mafias, and shit never changes, it keeps repeating, it’s crazy how people shell themselves from all this and still see things with any bit of pink tones in it… The military is known for raping and doing incredible amounts of violence. They have to see the videos of hostages being mauled and killed, like ISIS’, or what is going on in Gaza. All these people abuse drugs, they are incredibly emotional, irrational, immature, violent, cynical, evil; they have it so easy to threaten your family and you cannot do anything about it because they can censor you, they own the media, social medias, newspapers, TV news channels, everything. They kill people everyday without getting their hands dirty. And people still think these things only happened before cameras were invented, or are super rare, but no, they are literally what “The Game” is.
The only people that can be in positions of power right now are the most psychopathic. It is not hard for them to act. If you think acting is a skill you can only see in movies and TV shows, and cannot be seen anywhere else, you are making a massive mistake. It is a talent anyone can practice and develop, for god’s sake, Hitler was famous for doing that, and it paid off, it made everything he said “look or feel more real to the Germans” and whatnot. To think the elite are not surrounded by psychologists, economists, scientists, heavily-connected people filled with rumors, the assholes who don’t give a fuck and will ask them to do something illegal like it’s a normal conversation because they have the money to buy entire cities, let alone judges/governors they themselves mega-donated to or whatever… It’s such a different world, I don’t think they see wars or everyday topics of discussion the same way we do.
We are all being played, distracted with bullshit. We must keep using every opportunity of discussion, argument, debate or insulting we see online to turn it about Class Warfare. Trump said something insanely racist about Obama? Don’t care, eat the rich, talk about how the rich are keeping you poor and distracted. Elon Musk shat himself? Don’t care. Eat the rich. Trump threatened with nuking an entire country, or half of the world? Don’t care. Eat the rich. What is he gonna do? Bomb us all until there is no Working Class left? Good luck. It’s the biggest flaws of nukes; the survivors will not accept whoever dropped it anymore. You won’t be able to force Humanity to do whatever you want by killing 50% of it, 80% of it, or even 100% of it which at that point is over. People will fucking hate you and they will remove you and replace you with someone who is the absolute opposite… and well, for so long they managed to lie to people and convince them that “communism/socialism means being dirty poor and a lazy fuck who doesn’t want to work and hates humanity”, but they are doing an amazing job at showing people the truth, that capitalism is actually that, the lazy fucks are the elite who don’t really know Algebra or Chemistry, they don’t write a single line of code or do absolutely anything meaningful for the product, they are just dudes with a lot of money who attracted talented artists because artists know they need the funding of someone big to be able to express themselves without limits. But what if we don’t rely on a few lazy fucks anymore, and instead rely on everyone as a whole? I don’t care if “technology” slows down a little, we need it to slow down. AI is replacing us all, it needs regulation or millions will keep starving to death or committing suicide. Being social, or working as a community, as the words communism and socialism imply, doesn’t mean being a lazy fuck or being broke, it’s the opposite, you work for the community, and community does the same. It won’t be perfect, human nature is what sucks the most, narcissism, lazy, jerks, jealously, traumas will still exist, that creates racism or discrimination in general. But fuck capitalism already, it only empowered these elite assholes so easily. We need to keep educating everyone as much as we can, that’s our biggest jab, and it has been working, to be honest. Compared to what the Internet used to think or be 20 years ago, we are so different now. It’s just that the assholes are not leaving quietly, that’s it. They are being super loud and hyping up the children to cheer them on, but just wait until those children grow up, man.
They will all realize some baby boomers had better lives than they had. 7+ children in average, a home at 19 years old, or at least a happy family of four without a college degree. The average age the current American is getting their first home at is 52 years old, not 19 anymore. The fertility rate used to be a solid constant 6.0+ for centuries before Reagan’s Trickle Down Economics, today, it’s a 1.5, which means, the amount of virgins, incels, single people, or couples not having children because it’s not feasible, are increasingly high. Sexual frustration can be a bitch. It’s so easy to squeeze it and channel it into hatred toward the elite. They are the ones who have all your money, afterall. They are the ones gatekeeping your future, your potential family, your bridge to the future like children, they are gatekeeping pussy for those who still talk like teenagers, man, fr, nocap, you are a virgin because you still think the elite deserve to live. You will never have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at your age because you still think the elite deserve to live. You cannot afford games at their full price, you have to wait for steam sales. You cry about RAM prices, housing or healthcare costs. Yet they’ll clap the 6 new yatches of Gabe Newell or whatever billionaire they cocksuck with their 6 teeth.
People still think the USA should be the World Police/Only Empire, when it shouldn’t.
I think you are right about WWII not being fought for higher ideals. That is the propaganda we got later on. Also, the connection between Nazism and the US is way stronger than you allude to. Ford and other industrialists helped bankroll the Nazi empire. Nazism was very popular in the US back then.
The US were not the good guys by any means. Those same wealthy industrialists lobbied against taking in the Jews when Hitler decided to expel them. They also helped reinforce anti-Jewish sentiment and made sure no one else would take the Jews in.
US companies like IBM gave material support to the Nazi as well. They developed the census system that was used to tattoo Jewish prisoners and then later helped out with the logistical efforts to make sure the optimal amount of Jews could be executed without backing up the trains.
As many people here on Lemmy are found of pointing out it was really Russia that did they heavy lifting of defeating the Nazi. The US showed up to take credit for solving the problem they helped create.