• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    9 hours ago

    I’ve worked back to back 60’s at Amazon, what the hell do you think made me a communist?

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    10 hours ago

    Right now, I’d pick physical labour over IT. I’m sick of being attached to a desk 12h a day looking at a screen and making some predatorial company richer.

    I’d rather be cleaning up my neighborhood, planting flowers in the park, or working at an animal shelter or the local soup kitchen. Actually making a fucking difference in society.

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      fellow IT worker here …

      The sickle and hammer are not representative of planting some flowers in a garden.

      If you’ve never done any real farming, I recommend you try it even for a day to learn a whole new appreciation for our modern way of life. It is brutal backbreaking work … and so were most industrial jobs from the era of soviet communism.

      Thank god for modernization, but I also agree on the despair of being a slave for an ultra rich asshole. I’m dealing with it by starting a corp with a couple of buddies that is owned by us and doing some work on the side … hopefully this can eventually free us from the chains.

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      7 hours ago

      As much as everyone would rather do meaningful things with their time, communist societies need ditchdiggers too!

      Construction and manufacturing takes all types, no experience needed, but I found factory work to be a great motivator to get into IT. Grass is always greener, I suppose

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        I think the big issue is lack of variance in your work. Human brains need different stimuli. S o if you do only one type of work all the time, you want something different after a while and yearn for another extreme.

        Problem is: that runs counter to taylorism.

        communist societies need ditchdiggers too!

        I gladly dig ditches, if it’s not the only thing I do.

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        Yeah some people think that in a communist society that they will suddenly do other jobs like working in an animal shelter. Nope if you work in IT now you’d still be in IT under communism. The commune still needs to keep their IT infrastructure running and the people with IT skills get assigned to do that.

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        7 hours ago

        That’s the problem with all politics. People don’t like the status quo and so vote for “not this” without considering the ill effects of what they’re voting for, or historical precedent. It’s how we ended up with Trump twice, it’s how we ended up with Brexit, and it’s not going away any time soon.

        • potoooooooo 🥔@lemmy.world
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          4 hours ago

          This is why I think any shift to the left will still go poorly. The ignorance is still there. The misinformation is still there. It will be used for negative ends by bad-faith actors like everything else.

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        “what’s stopping you from quitting your work that you need to survive?”

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        Volunteering doesn’t put food on the table sadly.

        Gotta work to live so I can then donate time to other things. If there was a way to live sustainably off improving the local area that would be fantastic. But there just isn’t in any real sense.

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      I mean, they represent physical labor, in the sense that one physically uses a hammer and a sickle as tools. But the reason communists pair those symbols together is because they represent the class alliance of industrial workers, and rural peasants.

      This is a repost of bad conservative Onion ripoff, The Babylon Bee, though. So I expect only the most shallow, baby-brained, “jokes” your average chud could muster

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        I also like the sextant the GDR added to represent knowledge workers.

        This is a repost of bad conservative Onion ripoff, The Babylon Bee, though. So I expect only the most shallow, baby-brained, “jokes” your average chud could muster

        Context matters. Could have been funny, if it were a self-deprecating joke. But now I think “ah, they don’t know what they’re talking about”.

      • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.worldOP
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        Why haven’t you posted anything better? Classic .ML do a lot of complaining and interject moral superiority while doing nothing of substance. I’m out here breaking my back harvesting memes to bring back like slop for the pig trough. 4 count em FOUR group chats among different friend groups that share memes. Plus tertiary collection. I save AND post them. By the sweat of my brow I share a minor chuckle or quick exhale from the nose followed by a slight smile and head shake. This is what I do for you. Yet, this is how you repay me?

          • Sarah Valentine (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Capitalism doesn’t value anything. It is the codification of one of several ways of life we can only understand by observing human beings whose behavior is antithetical to the survival and advancement of our species. It is an evolutionary and ideological dead end, the same as the genetic lineage of any creature born with the compulsion to commit suicide from birth. People can choose to do better so it’s not a matter of genocide to do away with it. It’s ideocide. All instances of this system of thought must be done away with, and future generations warned about the consequences of ever allowing it to regain a foothold in the noosphere.

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              I would say it values anything that enables the growth of capital. That can include people. However, I do agree that it is inherently indifferent to human life.

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                I get where you’re coming from but I do feel the need to point out that you’re ascribing held values to an ideology. It’s not a person, it can’t value anything. As an ideology it is valuable to people whose values prioritize self-enablement at all costs.

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                  Interesting point. I think you’re right. It’s a system, not a sentient being, it can’t really have values. Thx for the interesting point.

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          If you just bullied the fuck out of people, maybe you’d be able to pull yourself using their bootstraps

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            That behavior is encouraged, and the circumstances that give rise to it cultivated, by people who subscribe to that worldview. Because it justifies their choices to throw the many under the bus for the desires (not needs but mere desires) of the few.

            It all comes back to exploitation; the rest is just what it takes to sustain it.

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      16 hours ago

      Luckily for me I get exploited physically and mentally. I strive to one day only be exploited mentally.

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    I’m a communist and don’t want to break my back using a sickle to harvest crops, but also no one does except people watching trad content and romanticizing it. This is why we’ve automated most of the hard manual labor in developed countries.

    We really need to update the symbol, besides all the baggage with the USSR it’s just out of date. Maybe on 1920s Russia most people were working with a hammer and sickle, and a lot of people still do to this day in less developed countries, but the meme is right, you ask your average Gen z in the developed world what the symbol means they’ll shrug and say idk.

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      Funny you should choose the sickle over the hammer. In industrialized nations commodity crops like wheat, soy, corn, and rice are predominantly mechanically harvested. But tree fruit, berries, and a lot of veggies remain hand-picked or have a mixed manual/mechanical harvesting method that’s much more labor intensive than a combine mowing down endless acres of wheat.

      The hammer however has seen a massive decline in full time use across construction sites in developed nations. It’s still a useful tool and most workers carry one, but pneumatic nail guns dominate new construction in developed countries that use wood as their base material.

      I’d also push back on your claim that hard manual labor in developed nations is automated. Mechanically assisted to varying levels, like a pneumatic nail gun instead of a hammer, or a haybaler instead of a sickle and building a stack, but it’s still got humans putting hours of physical effort into using those machines to achieve the finished product. There’s people behind home construction or remodels, strawberry picking, road construction, and wildland fire fighting to name a few.

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        …i used a framing hammer to build a wood fence last weekend; it felt good but also surprisingly old-fashioned by comparison to the nail gun the builder used for the original construction…

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          As the narrator says “the future farmer might not be holding a shovel, they might be holding a remote control”. Technology changes the means by which the humans do the labor, but there’s still a human behind the machine, not an automaton.

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            The difference is how and why AI labor is utilized from one nation to another.

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              DJI is not marketing their ag drones as fully automated (source is their most recent annual report with other shots from their website) but as tool for labor reduction, precision, and for efficiency in applications like seeding/chemical dispersal, aerial surveillance, load carrying, and time saving.

              https://www-cdn.djiits.com/cms_uploads/ckeditor/attachments/9211/46fc4e7ab0c2e7161f5bccd991e57f55.pdf

              Operators use software to plot their routes and remain present during use.

              While they do discuss automated assistance and there is potential for refining such technology, there still remains a human component.

              AI does have great potential for not only reducing the demand on human physical labor, it also has promise for reducing the amount of toxic byproducts that end up in the environment due to the demands of mass agriculture. Carbon AI is a Large Plant Model that can currently identify over 150 million weeds in real time and uses precision laser blasts to kill them. However, even this is not currently a fully automated process as the machine requires human operation.

        • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.worldOP
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          This is “the temptation of saint Anthony” that’s not God its a human man being tested. Study more art and scripture, say less dumb shit.

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    I thought this community was getting a bit too friendly lately

    Quality shit post

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    It has always blown my mind how some people can grow up having almost no knowledge of basic tools.