Weren’t Liberals in power before the vote started? 4 years or so right? They had 4 years to decide what to do with the gun in their hands, they chose to give it to the fascists. Conveniently ignored that.
Once again, you’re not saying Liberals, when given the choice, don’t give the gun to the fascist.
Here’s my claim: when Liberals are given the choice between giving power to the left or giving power to facists, or even shooting fascists. They choose to give power to the fascists. For evidence I presented an example from recent history. There’s a famous historical example. But here’s an example of it about to happen in the future
You have my claim, you have examples of it happening in the real world past, present and future. What specifically is your problem with it?
My specific problem with it, is that that’s how the government is designed to transfer power peacefully. It’s worked very well for a couple hundred years so far and beats dictators for life by a country mile, as we say in this country.
You’re suggesting the “Liberals in power” should refuse to hand over power at the appointed time because the victorious party is fascist. I think you’re probably not following that through to it’s logical conclusions. One of which is the end of our Democratic system of government. Another of which is the replacement of fascism with a different kind of fascism.
Anyone who wants to talk about how simple it is to just not let the elected party have power as agreed upon on in the founding documents has never worked to organize anything more complex than a bake sale.
My specific problem with it, is that that’s how the government is designed to transfer power peacefully.
Designed by whom? Regardless, assuming it was handed down by God, Liberals did nothing to change the design that willingly hands over power to Fascists, let alone ally with Leftifts against the rise of Fascism. (see: reality). Nor did they not hand the proverbial gun to the Fascists (see: meme)
You’re suggesting…
No that’s what you believe I’m suggesting because you won’t listen to leftists.
They’re suggesting that Liberalism necessarily creates the environment from which Fascism rises (see: examples past, present, future). Then when Fascism rises they willingly hand over the power saying “well that’s how we set the system up.”
Anyone who wants to talk about how simple it is
Once again, you believe leftist ideas are simple. Perhaps so you can dismiss them by
has never worked to organize anything more complex than a bake sale.
It’s this dismissiveness you refuse to even listen to leftists. You refuse to ally with Leftifts. But what you do do? Justify why the Fascists should have the gun.
Liberals, when holding the gun, give it to the Fascists, worse they believe Fascists should have the gun (see: you). That’s true isn’t it? The first step to solving a problem is identifying it.
Liberals did nothing to change the design that willingly hands over power to Fascists
Okay I’m almost positive that’s not what it actually says.
let alone ally with Leftifts against the rise of Fascism.
HA. You mean the leftists that spent four months railing against Harris and all the reasons they wouldn’t support her despite literal fascism being the end result of such a childish and futile response that just happened to 100% correlate to what russian disinformation wanted? We didn’t ally with those Leftists? Yeah that’s true I guess. But then they weren’t doing the one single, tangible, productive thing they could have done to help stop “the rise of Fascism”. So - why not ask them.
They’re suggesting that Liberalism necessarily creates the environment from which Fascism rises (see: examples past, present, future). Then when Fascism rises they willingly hand over the power saying “well that’s how we set the system up.”
So you’re saying the strawman argument was a given. How could those dirty libcucks have enabled fascism and then handed control over to it (them? whatever).
Once again, you believe leftist ideas are simple.
As presented, yeah. They are. “Don’t enable fascism” Cool, lemme put it up on the fridge where we can all see it.
It’s this dismissiveness you refuse to even listen to leftists.
Listen to what. Listen to them tell me I enabled fascism and then turned over power to them? True. I’m not listening that garbage. If they have something of interest they want to say, nothing stopping them. Theoretically.
You refuse to ally with Leftifts.
You have that precisely backwards. I voted to stop trump, they did not. And look into the crystal ball and tell me what you see next November. What do you see there? Do you see “liberals” not “allying” with “Leftists”? Or do you see leftists once again feigning dismay and contempt at the Democratic candidates and swearing never to support them despite the result being double extra super fascism? Want to bet some capital on that?
Justify why the Fascists should have the gun.
You’re saying we should have destroyed the government while we had control of it. Cool. Noted. These are great leftist ideas, it’s strange they’re not more popular.
Liberals, when holding the gun, give it to the Fascists, worse they believe Fascists should have the gun (see: you). That’s true isn’t it?
Still can’t admit that Liberals will give the gun to the Fascist.
When pushed you not only told me why they gave the gun to the Fascists, but that they should give the gun to the Fascists.
The rest is distraction from those two key points, that you not only do not disagree with the meme, but embody it. The first step to solving a problem is identifying it. In the last comment you identified the problem as Leftists, again embodying the meme.
Did they? Was it a big gun? Did they hand it to them with two hands, or was it like they took the gun out of the cardboard box they kept it in and put it on the table for the fascists to pick up? What were Liberals wearing? See if ChatGPT knows.
It’s worked very well for a couple hundred years so far and beats dictators for life by a country mile, as we say in this country.
You stole Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guantanamo Bay, South Korea, installed Saddam Hussein, Augusto Pinochet, Hugo Banzer, Mao Zedong, Benjamin Netanyahu, and continue to menance the planet, without taking look at how your empire has genocide indigenous folks “for a couple hundred years.” I say your faux republic is pretty darn shit, that you leave dictators to cause planetary damage and don’t own up to the horrors you unleash.
Who was it again who dropped two nukes to silence an archipelago in a pyrrhic conquest?
You mean the vote totals?
Weren’t Liberals in power before the vote started? 4 years or so right? They had 4 years to decide what to do with the gun in their hands, they chose to give it to the fascists. Conveniently ignored that.
Once again, you’re not saying Liberals, when given the choice, don’t give the gun to the fascist.
Here’s my claim: when Liberals are given the choice between giving power to the left or giving power to facists, or even shooting fascists. They choose to give power to the fascists. For evidence I presented an example from recent history. There’s a famous historical example. But here’s an example of it about to happen in the future
You have my claim, you have examples of it happening in the real world past, present and future. What specifically is your problem with it?
My specific problem with it, is that that’s how the government is designed to transfer power peacefully. It’s worked very well for a couple hundred years so far and beats dictators for life by a country mile, as we say in this country.
You’re suggesting the “Liberals in power” should refuse to hand over power at the appointed time because the victorious party is fascist. I think you’re probably not following that through to it’s logical conclusions. One of which is the end of our Democratic system of government. Another of which is the replacement of fascism with a different kind of fascism.
Anyone who wants to talk about how simple it is to just not let the elected party have power as agreed upon on in the founding documents has never worked to organize anything more complex than a bake sale.
Designed by whom? Regardless, assuming it was handed down by God, Liberals did nothing to change the design that willingly hands over power to Fascists, let alone ally with Leftifts against the rise of Fascism. (see: reality). Nor did they not hand the proverbial gun to the Fascists (see: meme)
No that’s what you believe I’m suggesting because you won’t listen to leftists.
They’re suggesting that Liberalism necessarily creates the environment from which Fascism rises (see: examples past, present, future). Then when Fascism rises they willingly hand over the power saying “well that’s how we set the system up.”
Once again, you believe leftist ideas are simple. Perhaps so you can dismiss them by
It’s this dismissiveness you refuse to even listen to leftists. You refuse to ally with Leftifts. But what you do do? Justify why the Fascists should have the gun.
Liberals, when holding the gun, give it to the Fascists, worse they believe Fascists should have the gun (see: you). That’s true isn’t it? The first step to solving a problem is identifying it.
Is this a trick question?
What?
Okay I’m almost positive that’s not what it actually says.
HA. You mean the leftists that spent four months railing against Harris and all the reasons they wouldn’t support her despite literal fascism being the end result of such a childish and futile response that just happened to 100% correlate to what russian disinformation wanted? We didn’t ally with those Leftists? Yeah that’s true I guess. But then they weren’t doing the one single, tangible, productive thing they could have done to help stop “the rise of Fascism”. So - why not ask them.
So you’re saying the strawman argument was a given. How could those dirty libcucks have enabled fascism and then handed control over to it (them? whatever).
As presented, yeah. They are. “Don’t enable fascism” Cool, lemme put it up on the fridge where we can all see it.
Listen to what. Listen to them tell me I enabled fascism and then turned over power to them? True. I’m not listening that garbage. If they have something of interest they want to say, nothing stopping them. Theoretically.
You have that precisely backwards. I voted to stop trump, they did not. And look into the crystal ball and tell me what you see next November. What do you see there? Do you see “liberals” not “allying” with “Leftists”? Or do you see leftists once again feigning dismay and contempt at the Democratic candidates and swearing never to support them despite the result being double extra super fascism? Want to bet some capital on that?
You’re saying we should have destroyed the government while we had control of it. Cool. Noted. These are great leftist ideas, it’s strange they’re not more popular.
What flavor of leftist are you supposed to be?
Still can’t admit that Liberals will give the gun to the Fascist.
When pushed you not only told me why they gave the gun to the Fascists, but that they should give the gun to the Fascists.
The rest is distraction from those two key points, that you not only do not disagree with the meme, but embody it. The first step to solving a problem is identifying it. In the last comment you identified the problem as Leftists, again embodying the meme.
Just let it go.
Optional@lemmy.worldis unwilling to reflect, and is exemplifying classic digressive responses.Until the first ICE facility has been dismantled, there’s nothing more to engage in.
My dumbass replied to the wrong thread, see the other one. I copy-pasted my comment to where it should have been.
bruv lol, I’ve been complementing our arguments this entire 🧵, I’m a comrade here.
Still can’t admit your strawman argument is invalid.
When pushed, you refused to understand how governments work.
How can someone disagree with a meme and embody it? If you have a point to make, please - do.
Here’s chatgpt’s summary when I asked it to parse the sentence
Not a straw man. I presented a picture of Liberals giving Fascists the gun. You argued Biden should have done that. More inability to listen.
We’ll try again. Liberals handed fascists the gun. Should they have done so?
Keep fighting those Leftists.
ChatGPT sure is helpful.
Explains the ChatGPT dunnit.
Did they? Was it a big gun? Did they hand it to them with two hands, or was it like they took the gun out of the cardboard box they kept it in and put it on the table for the fascists to pick up? What were Liberals wearing? See if ChatGPT knows.
Apparently!
You stole Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guantanamo Bay, South Korea, installed Saddam Hussein, Augusto Pinochet, Hugo Banzer, Mao Zedong, Benjamin Netanyahu, and continue to menance the planet, without taking look at how your empire has genocide indigenous folks “for a couple hundred years.” I say your faux republic is pretty darn shit, that you leave dictators to cause planetary damage and don’t own up to the horrors you unleash.
Who was it again who dropped two nukes to silence an archipelago in a pyrrhic conquest?
I didn’t say perfect.
What country do you live in?