• ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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    1 day ago

    Whatsapp messages are incredibly cheap, while AI queries are expensive to the point nobody wants to pay the actual price of it.

    And where is that new industrial revolution? AI revenues are abysmal, costs are astronomical, the integration into our way of working is massively unprofitable, conversion rates are microscopic both in the consumer and enterprise spaces, while even paid users cost a lot of money to companies.

    My point is, OpenAI has been around for a decade, the original LLM papers for 8 years, ChatGPT for three years. There is no evidence it’s going to even break even, much less be a “new industrial revolution”. Research shows using AI does not speed up, and in some cases actually slows down work.

    And the problem is, the VC money that can fund the kind of loss leaders you are speaking of is going to run out in six quarters. I don’t mean that OpenAI has a six quarter runway, I mean the whole of the US venture capital sector has that. There is literally no time left for anything that is only “going to be”. This is it. All of it.

    That industrial revolution should have come already, at this point this thing is a flop like the Metaverse, only difference it’s a much bigger crater.

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      20 hours ago

      And where is that new industrial revolution?

      I use AI daily for work and my usage is growing steadily. I partially automated some stuff and it completely changed how we search knowledge. In a year I may flip it from me driving AI to AI notifying me when my input is needed.

      I saw people wiring an LLM to chat with their shell. It sounds a silly exercise but it allows anyone to work with a terminal.

      According to some reports AI also dramatically lowered the entry barrier to perform classic cyberattacks and there are the first cases of AI fishing.

      It’s pretty wild already and much more advanced than one year ago.

      That industrial revolution should have come already

      Do you ever think that maybe you are missing it?

      • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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        5 hours ago

        I use AI daily for work and my usage is growing steadily. I partially automated some stuff and it completely changed how we search knowledge. In a year I may flip it from me driving AI to AI notifying me when my input is needed.

        Okay, but since subscriptions for foundation models will have to go up at least ten to fiftyfold since it’s not profitable, how much money have you made with it? Is your convenience worth a few grand per month? Are there enough people like that to pay for this? And it’s not a hypothetical, the United States is running out of money to give OpenAI to fuck around in like 6 financial quarters.

        I saw people wiring an LLM to chat with their shell. It sounds a silly exercise but it allows anyone to work with a terminal.

        Yeah that works until it doesn’t and it breaks the computer. Still, how much money have people made with this?

        Do you ever think that maybe you are missing it?

        It really doesn’t matter what I do. I got a subscription for a year for one of the chatbots as a freebie with my credit card. I’ve used it a lot for internet search. It’s useful. I would pay maybe 2-5 EUR a month for it if the company was decent and would provide first class support for my use cases, like a Linux app, which it doesn’t. I got a local model running, which is useful, I might keep it.

        But that’s beside the point. An industrial revolution means that a company using this thing is significantly more efficient than one that doesn’t. So where is that one company that this is true for? And please, spare me the CEOs bullshitting, I’m asking for numbers. Who is going to make a trillion with this next year? Because otherwise OpenAI and Anthropic is dead, and FAANG stocks are going to go down like 30%, taking the market with them.

        And I’m still going to run my little local model, which does not mean that AI is going to be bigger business in a few years than selling microwaves. They are also useful, even ubiquitous, but they are not “an industrial revolution” and nobody is claiming “you are missing the microwave revolution” or that “every company is a microwave company”.