• Azal@pawb.social
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    2 days ago

    Then those people were fucking idiots. Things were shit under Trump 1.0 with the inflation starting under him, it continued with Biden who was trying to keep an economy from collapsing after the Trump idiocy with a pandemic, so brought back in Trump 2.0 to finish the job of wrecking the economy.

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        Yet we have people that seems to defend these people like they’re not.

        I don’t have a lot of hope of “winning people over”, it might come from living in a red state where people keep voting for the party that fucks them over, they get mad when they get fucked over, then they vote for the party that promises to take away the lube.

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          Saying they’re idiots instead of fascists really isn’t defending them. They’re stupid people who keep getting duped by conmen, largely because those conmen have captured the media and education systems in their states to keep them stupid and gullible.

          It’s about recognizing that things aren’t as black and white as they’re portrayed, and having some compassion for people who are literally brainwashed by a cult.

          Attacking them by calling them fascists will only serve to dig their heels in deeper by establishing yourself as the enemy, like their brainwashing tells them.

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            Oh I’ve done the compassion front right up until the last election. I talked just like this on “No, we need to meet halfway.”

            After enough “I did it to own the libs” I’ve learned my lesson.

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      Yes. They were ignorant, and stupid, and poorly informed.

      Where does that get you? Does writing them off instead of reaching out to them make the world better?

      If elections still matter, you need them to win the next election. If elections don’t matter, you need them to overthrow the tyrants. Either way, you need them. You need every single person you can win to your cause. Even the idiots.

      You don’t get to work with only people who meet your standards for intelligence, capability, and moral purity. You’re not going to fix the world hanging out in your little “Smarts only” club with the ten other people you deign to associate with.

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        Where does that get you? Does writing them off instead of reaching out to them make the world better?

        I’ll tell you where working with them, trying to understand them, trying to help them see how the different parties have direct affect on their lives has gotten me. I’ve got to have the ability to talk republican because I work in blue collar jobs, yet I’ve tried so very hard to show how it directly affects their lives and being compassionate.

        It’s gotten me them proudly coming in and crowing they voted Republican, keeping to their sports teams, and the people who hate the republicans telling me “I just really don’t care about politics.”

        So where does me writing them off get me? Finally understanding I CANNOT get to them, and my life has been a process of teaching a pig to sing. It wastes my time and annoys the pig.

      • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        It’s not my job nor my responsibility to seek out these people fix others stupid.

        They are free to reach out but they need to extend the olive branch.

        There are too many cultists to weed through to find the one person who is genuinely confused but is somehow unable to navigate their own way out.