Peertube while a neat idea might be the single biggest fucking joke I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s so beyond a pipe dream that it wraps around into absurdity.
To be perfectly frank a lot for the open source/federated stuff is basically a comically unuseable joke.
A handful manage to get barely half way useable like lemmy because it basically just a repost dumping ground from the big social medias. Or a more modern version of a old internet format.
But it’s still at best half useable. That still makes it more useable then what a lot of the corpo alternatives are. But when your only saving grace is that the other options are worse by virtue of being shit.
It doesn’t make you actually good. It just makes you less worse.
I think PeerTube should be for hobby purposes. I mean, here’s where I am coming from. I am from a period of the internet, where you were not meant to be e-famous. I still at times, believe this. Look at what happened when the idea of the tiniest bit of fame and success people allow to get to their heads when they realize that they can just make videos and profit off of them.
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube:
surfaces creators’ videos
pays creators
hosts the videos
handles CDN
Peertube:
The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes)
There’s no surfacing
There’s no payments
If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
I’d rather money not be involved. There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless. I’d actually say YouTubes monetization is what made it shitty
No money means no videos. That’s just facts, you can bitch moan and cry if you want. But till money gets involved your not going to see anything actually meaningfully grow.
Video production is just too costly to produce even on a hobbyists level. Either in time or money.
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“bitch and moan and cry” huh?
Yeah that’s why it worked for youtube for 7 years from 2005 until 2012 when they openly monetized. Shut the fuck up.
There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless.
But there really aren’t. They would be all over the free platforms that have existed for years. But Peertube is nearly bereft of quality content, there are maybe a dozen regular creators that make anything interesting enough to 50% of the population to watch.
I’m not shilling for LMG, but something like Floatplane would make sense. You pay per creator for their extra content and ad free viewing and the cut goes in favor to the creator. Of course Floatplane has to also make money. They’re not in it to serve you ads or use your data to make money. If that took off I could easily see people paying 3-5 creators monthly to watch their videos ad free with extras on one platform.
Nebula has more and is cheaper. I had some interest in Floatplane. Last time I looked at it, Youtube was cheaper for my use case and them not listing creators up front is bad news.
Same, dude. The power users will assume everyone has the time to assemble/learn the skill of setting it up. That being said, it’s on my list of things to figure out one day!
yeah, one of the responses lower down made me realize why PeerTube is unlikely to be a success any time soon - it’s not something the typical YouTube user has to deal with.
I wanted it to not be dog slow, because every one I tried spent all its time buffering. I’m not really sure how the architecture of it works but it seemed to suggest some kind of p2p thing so thought that leaving the window open might seed it? But either it didn’t or just nobody was interested.
you are not seeding by just leaving the window open on any peertube page. you are only seeding the specific video you have opened, if you have opened one, and probably not the complete video just the last segments you still have cached. this p2p sharing is mostly for when a certain video gets popular, to help with peek load, and for live streams. if the video was buffering for a long time it’s probably because the server did not have enough upload bandwidth, and no other viewer had the video segments.
It’s the truth but it also is fantastic proof why the entire concept is doa. The fact this needs explaining at all or is even a problem. Means it’s a non viable system.
Even technical users aren’t going to want to have to fiddle and tinker and read documentation for base entertainment.
It either works or it’s worthless. That’s the bar you have to pass for basic entertainment.
Even though it’s no longer tractable for the casual hobbyist (me) to run a node, Invidious is still usable thanks to absolutely heroic effort by the ~4 organizations still willing and able to invest the crazy infrastructure needed to prevent GOOG from blocking them.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
I’m with GreenBeard on this and was always saying that monetization is the biggest peertube problem. Patreon and such are not an ideal option, subscription is IMO. A subscription that would be distributed through authors fairly, but that’s not an easy task I suppose.
Like I said, Nebula does it and it’s pretty good. Hard to get on as a creator unless you have a proven follower base elsewhere though. They’re still mainly using YouTube as a farm league.
Might be interesting to see Nebula set up a fund for PeerTube creators and start using that as a farm league, but I don’t know that they have the subscription revenue for that yet.
a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.
I really wish PeerTube would take off, or any other alternative.
Peertube while a neat idea might be the single biggest fucking joke I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s so beyond a pipe dream that it wraps around into absurdity.
To be perfectly frank a lot for the open source/federated stuff is basically a comically unuseable joke.
A handful manage to get barely half way useable like lemmy because it basically just a repost dumping ground from the big social medias. Or a more modern version of a old internet format.
But it’s still at best half useable. That still makes it more useable then what a lot of the corpo alternatives are. But when your only saving grace is that the other options are worse by virtue of being shit.
It doesn’t make you actually good. It just makes you less worse.
I tried to use it a few times but it’s truly god awful. Both performance-wise and in terms of discoverability.
Nebula is pretty legit but you won’t be able to find everything you want to watch there.
I think PeerTube should be for hobby purposes. I mean, here’s where I am coming from. I am from a period of the internet, where you were not meant to be e-famous. I still at times, believe this. Look at what happened when the idea of the tiniest bit of fame and success people allow to get to their heads when they realize that they can just make videos and profit off of them.
Nebula.tv has been pretty good. I’m considering the lifetime subscription.
There’s a lifetime subscription? Maybe I should be considering that too
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube: surfaces creators’ videos pays creators hosts the videos handles CDN
Peertube: The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes) There’s no surfacing There’s no payments If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
I’d rather money not be involved. There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless. I’d actually say YouTubes monetization is what made it shitty
No money means no videos. That’s just facts, you can bitch moan and cry if you want. But till money gets involved your not going to see anything actually meaningfully grow.
Video production is just too costly to produce even on a hobbyists level. Either in time or money.
But there really aren’t. They would be all over the free platforms that have existed for years. But Peertube is nearly bereft of quality content, there are maybe a dozen regular creators that make anything interesting enough to 50% of the population to watch.
I’m not shilling for LMG, but something like Floatplane would make sense. You pay per creator for their extra content and ad free viewing and the cut goes in favor to the creator. Of course Floatplane has to also make money. They’re not in it to serve you ads or use your data to make money. If that took off I could easily see people paying 3-5 creators monthly to watch their videos ad free with extras on one platform.
Nebula has more and is cheaper. I had some interest in Floatplane. Last time I looked at it, Youtube was cheaper for my use case and them not listing creators up front is bad news.
Same, dude. The power users will assume everyone has the time to assemble/learn the skill of setting it up. That being said, it’s on my list of things to figure out one day!
yeah, one of the responses lower down made me realize why PeerTube is unlikely to be a success any time soon - it’s not something the typical YouTube user has to deal with.
What did you want it to do?
Did you set up a node? Did you promote it & grow a user base? Federate?
I wanted it to not be dog slow, because every one I tried spent all its time buffering. I’m not really sure how the architecture of it works but it seemed to suggest some kind of p2p thing so thought that leaving the window open might seed it? But either it didn’t or just nobody was interested.
you are not seeding by just leaving the window open on any peertube page. you are only seeding the specific video you have opened, if you have opened one, and probably not the complete video just the last segments you still have cached. this p2p sharing is mostly for when a certain video gets popular, to help with peek load, and for live streams. if the video was buffering for a long time it’s probably because the server did not have enough upload bandwidth, and no other viewer had the video segments.
there is another load balancing system that peertube supports, they can clone videos fromneach other and help serving them: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#platforms-redundancy
don’t know why you got downvoted, this is 100% truth
It’s the truth but it also is fantastic proof why the entire concept is doa. The fact this needs explaining at all or is even a problem. Means it’s a non viable system.
Even technical users aren’t going to want to have to fiddle and tinker and read documentation for base entertainment.
It either works or it’s worthless. That’s the bar you have to pass for basic entertainment.
Because one person made some bad guesses that they need to do something special, it’s worthless?
you follow a link, the video plays
https://tilvids.com/w/2VgZ8Tw2jcBj19cn4f8RKW
you don’t need to know more than that, you don’t need to fiddle.
If it takes off, people will setup more servers and probably setup caching for a fee.
lol half the comments on lemmy have single downvotes. I don’t know what’s happening but I don’t worry about it
It never buffers for me, but I do have a full gig and super low latency
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Could be a zillion reasons for this. Need an actual instance to debug
Even though it’s no longer tractable for the casual hobbyist (me) to run a node, Invidious is still usable thanks to absolutely heroic effort by the ~4 organizations still willing and able to invest the crazy infrastructure needed to prevent GOOG from blocking them.
https://docs.invidious.io/instances/
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
They could still get sponsors and have “ads” during the stream. Though most already do that in addition to YouTube monetization.
Lots of channels have a link to their Patreon or a tip jar; lots do live reads.
Sure, but then you’re still bringing a for-profit company into the mix. PeerTube is your loss-leader and Patreon is your main platform.
Some channels use Ghost instead of Patreon, including one of my favorites Anders Puck
You can monetize PT with Patreon, but you can monetize YT with Patreon and get paid twice.
That’s why YT has 5 9’s of the creators.
I’m with GreenBeard on this and was always saying that monetization is the biggest peertube problem. Patreon and such are not an ideal option, subscription is IMO. A subscription that would be distributed through authors fairly, but that’s not an easy task I suppose.
Like I said, Nebula does it and it’s pretty good. Hard to get on as a creator unless you have a proven follower base elsewhere though. They’re still mainly using YouTube as a farm league.
Might be interesting to see Nebula set up a fund for PeerTube creators and start using that as a farm league, but I don’t know that they have the subscription revenue for that yet.
liberapay can do that already. but apparently they don’t have the necessary API for integration: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/1586#issuecomment-459100710
So they, too, can enshittify your whole experience? Or are they somehow immune from capitalism??
Ah, it’s federated. Makes sense.
It’s a federated network of open source servers, anybody can host it. So, I think we are pretty safe. For now.
a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.