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I have had premium family since it was red or something. It is my last streaming sub if you don’t count nebula which I never use. I still need to use smarttube and Firefox+ublock and various extensions as modern YouTube is a disaster.
I want to send google a message that here is someone prepared to pay money for a decent experience but they don’t give a shit. Its going to be very tough to win me back as a customer when I go which won’t be much longer.
The reason I’ll never pay Google a subscription fee is because they still spy on you and make money off your data even if you pay them.
The deal is supposed to be either:
- I get your service for free, you spy on me and sell ads to cover the cost of the service
OR
- I pay for your service, you will NOT show me ads or sell my data
Any service that doesn’t fall into one of those two categories can GTFO.
They don’t give a fuck as long as you’re still paying them lol.
I would be so happy to drop youtube, which is one of my last subscriptions. A nice bonus would be to get my “smart” TV off the internet. But I feel like everytime androidTV or whatever comes up, I get confused as to whether there is a decent solution. What hardware do people use? My RaspberryPI 3 does not seem sufficient, even though people seem to say otherwise. Is Kodi still fine? What I need is something that just works, I can’t have my TV going down like all my other funny selfhosted business. The wellbeing of my entire household relies on that.
And then the youtube alternatives: There are so many words floating around and I never know what to do. I do have a server and would be able to get into my network via tailscale, so this would not be an issue. Invidious? That would mean I don’t have to deal with the music either 🤔
The only way to stop price increase is unsubscribing, Google need to know it’s a loss, not a win.
We just had news about Bilibili going global, and their reaction is to increase prices even further?
People pay for YouTube premium?!?!
For me it was debating what music service I wanted to pay for and I decided ad-free YouTube without having to get around anything was a fine bonus. And it was a decent trade to my brother and cousin when I was in their HBO and Netflix families. But I’m not going to say it’s “great” or anything. In fact if they ever cut my brother or cousin from my family plan (we’ve moved around the U.S. since I first got it,) I’m dropping it.
I do for years and I think it’s great value
I get the same thing for free, so it’s actually a terrible value for you.
I don’t mind content creators getting paid for their work. That’s part of the value of paying.
You don’t get that value.
I contribute directly to those who I can, with patreon. I don’t watch advertisements, and I try not to give money to corporations.
It wasn’t really worth it before, now it’s even less worth it?
Revanced works perfectly fine on Android and on desktop I use an adblocker.
What exactly does revanced do to what programs? The website is no help.
Repackages and patches an older version of the Android ytb app as well as some other apps. The patches do different things for different apps (usually remove ads).
So just downloaded revanced should i download all the patches or select through?
Or just do some looking online and work it out from that for what i want?
Read the documentation. Just selected is enough, just make sure you have sponsor block selected. I don’t remember if it is selected by default.
YouTube morphed
This is the way
Does Adblock work for YouTube?
uBlock on Firefox
You don’t even need Revanced. Just use Firefox on both.
I like Revanced. I can listen to stuff even while the screen is locked and have sponsor block and other addons if I want. I think half the time I spend on my phone is watching Youtube and it’s heaps better than Firefox with an adblocker on Android.
I have yt premium and still use revanced. Sponsor block is so goated
Holy shit $16 / mo?? Did I see that right?? Wow. Just last year my partner and I really considered getting premium cuz we have some YouTubers we’ve been watching for like a decade. But ultimately decided against it cuz it was like $8.99 / mo.
That sub is already alotted to Netflix, for the ads version too.
Keep paying guys, someones gotta do it. Thank you for your service. Keeps YouTube available for the rest of us who will never, ever pay a greedy, evil fucking company like Google.
One day there will be only 10 people left paying 1million dollar a month
In my country, it’s $1.5. So I am paying so that you guys can get videos for free.
Here it’s appearently $17.81 now… Not exactly value!
Consider these open-source front-ends:
No ads, no tracking, very customizable. You can import subscriptions, but signing in isn’t supported except in FreeTube Mobile. Also these apps sometimes don’t work for a few days whenever YT changes its back-end.
Newpipe is another option
Newpipe and Grayjay are great options!
NewPipe is shite compared to Morphe.
At least its fully foss, doesnt requir an account, no microG shit, can downlload(actually download) videos, forks have sponsord block, doesnt take up 1.5GB,
New pipe says it’s dipping out after the Google changes no?
Lets see what happens
Thank you! I have ad block for PC but am forced to use mobile for awhile and was dreading the incessant ads on mobile.
I guess it’s not too great of a coincidence though; YouTube is always making the platform worse, so these recommendations are flying around pretty often.
If you’re on iOS, check out Orion browser—it can install firefox extensions, including ublock. I’m pretty sure there are ways to get this done on Android, too, but I’m not familiar with them. I haven’t seen an ad on youtube in years, on desktop or mobile.
I use this for Android. https://github.com/A-EDev/Flow/
Time to quit, just unregistered
LOL.
Be a pirate
DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE!
I’m free
YARR HARR Fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is alright to be!
Then pay and get tracked
your using the internet you are getting tracked.
Well im pretty much confident it’s not that much for me
if you have an active internet connection your data is being tracked.
Then don’t
"YouTube said the hike will “allow us to continue to improve Premium and support the creators and artists you watch on YouTube.”
Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. They say that every single time they raise the prices. It’s the same dogshit excuse.
Despite what their marketing says the service gets worse every time the price goes up. The word enshitification is overused and often misused but not where YouTube is concerned.
They allegedly give 55% to he creators and pocket the rest… And this is AFTER paying creators fractions of a cent per view and shoving expensive ads down the huge majority of their visitors throats.
They are a massively shitty company. The amount of money they steal from content creators is WILD.
content creators mostly cant live off it, they have promotions and brand deals that is seperate from youtube. also patreon accounts, or thier own website.
Yeah what a fucking joke. The one and only feature they’re selling (especially since they bailed on original content like 2 years after they started) is ad-free viewing. You need a price hike every 18 months to ensure the “don’t show this guy ads” line in my profile config stays set to True? Fuck off.
Honestly, the biggest selling point for me, and pretty much the entire reason I do have premium, is that they pay the creators you watch way more than a regular view. I guess the alternative would be to sign up to their patreons for a dollar.
Funny you mention that. It occurred to me that the handful of things that would really make me sad to lose if I just bailed on YouTube were all things I could indeed support on Patreon. So now I’m doing that haha. I don’t think my current Patreon load costs me anything more than I used to pay for Premium.
According to this page:
Creators earn money from these subscriptions through a dedicated pool of revenue for each subscription type: 30% of the net subscription revenue for Premium and 60% for Premium Lite. This allocation factors in the costs of operating and promoting the service, including amounts we pay to music partners. This pool is distributed to creators based on member watch time and views, and from that distribution creators receive revenue share: 55% for long-form videos and 45% for Shorts.
TLDR: YouTube premium pays out to each content creator about A$0.23 per month. Regular ad watching gives A$0.09 per month.
Tap for math
Current price of premium is A$16.99 a month in Australia. 30% of $16.99 totals $5.10 monthly pool distributed across every content creator you watch. 70% or $11.90 of your monthly fee goes straight to YouTube and royalties to maintain their music platform you may or may not use.
The math gets really speculative here, but let’s say you watch 20 different content creators, half of them make long form videos like Reject Convenience, half of them make shorts. You watch an even mix of 10 minute videos and shorts. Each long form content creator will receive ($5.10 • 0.55) / 10 = $0.28. Each shorts creator will receive ($5.10 • 0.45) / 10 = $0.23. Per month. It’s a pittance really.
In comparison, an ad view gives about $0.03 per view, which if you watched 3 videos from each creator, would total $0.09. So premium gives more, but it’s like 14¢ per month more per person.
I can’t be bothered converting all these numbers to USD, sorry. You can roughly calculate it for your own situation using this formula:
C = (P • 0.3 • F) / NWhere
- C is Content Creator Payout (each)
- P is price of YouTube premium for you
- F is form of content. 0.55 for long form, 0.45 for shorts
- N is how many content creators in the same group of F you watch per month
It’s math like this that convinces me that you can contribute more to the ecosystem by paying even a single dollar to a creator’s Patreon (even when Patreon takes 30% off the top) and watching w/ adblock than paying a monthly subscription to YT.
I think you’re right. Even with the same math (20 subscriptions), you’re paying only $3 more per month as a consumer. Meanwhile, each actual creator gets significantly more income per month, even after the Patreon cut: $0.70, or 304% more. Also they’re not forced to create 3 videos per month just to eat
Honestly, after sitting down and doing the math, I’m a bit disheartened. I thought I was supporting my favourite creators more with YouTube premium, but 70% goes towards subsidising the music app I don’t even use, which is insane to me. Really it should be called “YouTube music (plus ad free)” or something
thats why most of them supplement thier income with brand deals, promotions, , collabs,etc and patreon.
well, doubling the minimum watches to pay people blocking ad blockers harder and halfing the rates at which they’re getting paid does fit the text they gave
I really wish PeerTube would take off, or any other alternative.
Peertube while a neat idea might be the single biggest fucking joke I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s so beyond a pipe dream that it wraps around into absurdity.
To be perfectly frank a lot for the open source/federated stuff is basically a comically unuseable joke.
A handful manage to get barely half way useable like lemmy because it basically just a repost dumping ground from the big social medias. Or a more modern version of a old internet format.
But it’s still at best half useable. That still makes it more useable then what a lot of the corpo alternatives are. But when your only saving grace is that the other options are worse by virtue of being shit.
It doesn’t make you actually good. It just makes you less worse.
I tried to use it a few times but it’s truly god awful. Both performance-wise and in terms of discoverability.
Nebula is pretty legit but you won’t be able to find everything you want to watch there.
I think PeerTube should be for hobby purposes. I mean, here’s where I am coming from. I am from a period of the internet, where you were not meant to be e-famous. I still at times, believe this. Look at what happened when the idea of the tiniest bit of fame and success people allow to get to their heads when they realize that they can just make videos and profit off of them.
Nebula.tv has been pretty good. I’m considering the lifetime subscription.
There’s a lifetime subscription? Maybe I should be considering that too
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube: surfaces creators’ videos pays creators hosts the videos handles CDN
Peertube: The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes) There’s no surfacing There’s no payments If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
I’d rather money not be involved. There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless. I’d actually say YouTubes monetization is what made it shitty
No money means no videos. That’s just facts, you can bitch moan and cry if you want. But till money gets involved your not going to see anything actually meaningfully grow.
Video production is just too costly to produce even on a hobbyists level. Either in time or money.
Poxlox “bitch and moan and cry” huh? Yeah that’s why it worked for youtube for 7 years from 2005 until 2012 when they openly monetized. Shut the fuck up.
There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless.
But there really aren’t. They would be all over the free platforms that have existed for years. But Peertube is nearly bereft of quality content, there are maybe a dozen regular creators that make anything interesting enough to 50% of the population to watch.
I’m not shilling for LMG, but something like Floatplane would make sense. You pay per creator for their extra content and ad free viewing and the cut goes in favor to the creator. Of course Floatplane has to also make money. They’re not in it to serve you ads or use your data to make money. If that took off I could easily see people paying 3-5 creators monthly to watch their videos ad free with extras on one platform.
Nebula has more and is cheaper. I had some interest in Floatplane. Last time I looked at it, Youtube was cheaper for my use case and them not listing creators up front is bad news.
Same, dude. The power users will assume everyone has the time to assemble/learn the skill of setting it up. That being said, it’s on my list of things to figure out one day!
yeah, one of the responses lower down made me realize why PeerTube is unlikely to be a success any time soon - it’s not something the typical YouTube user has to deal with.
What did you want it to do?
Did you set up a node? Did you promote it & grow a user base? Federate?
I wanted it to not be dog slow, because every one I tried spent all its time buffering. I’m not really sure how the architecture of it works but it seemed to suggest some kind of p2p thing so thought that leaving the window open might seed it? But either it didn’t or just nobody was interested.
you are not seeding by just leaving the window open on any peertube page. you are only seeding the specific video you have opened, if you have opened one, and probably not the complete video just the last segments you still have cached. this p2p sharing is mostly for when a certain video gets popular, to help with peek load, and for live streams. if the video was buffering for a long time it’s probably because the server did not have enough upload bandwidth, and no other viewer had the video segments.
there is another load balancing system that peertube supports, they can clone videos fromneach other and help serving them: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#platforms-redundancy
don’t know why you got downvoted, this is 100% truth
It’s the truth but it also is fantastic proof why the entire concept is doa. The fact this needs explaining at all or is even a problem. Means it’s a non viable system.
Even technical users aren’t going to want to have to fiddle and tinker and read documentation for base entertainment.
It either works or it’s worthless. That’s the bar you have to pass for basic entertainment.
Because one person made some bad guesses that they need to do something special, it’s worthless?
you follow a link, the video plays
https://tilvids.com/w/2VgZ8Tw2jcBj19cn4f8RKW
you don’t need to know more than that, you don’t need to fiddle.
If it takes off, people will setup more servers and probably setup caching for a fee.
lol half the comments on lemmy have single downvotes. I don’t know what’s happening but I don’t worry about it
It never buffers for me, but I do have a full gig and super low latency
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all its time buffering.
Could be a zillion reasons for this. Need an actual instance to debug
Even though it’s no longer tractable for the casual hobbyist (me) to run a node, Invidious is still usable thanks to absolutely heroic effort by the ~4 organizations still willing and able to invest the crazy infrastructure needed to prevent GOOG from blocking them.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
They could still get sponsors and have “ads” during the stream. Though most already do that in addition to YouTube monetization.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube
Lots of channels have a link to their Patreon or a tip jar; lots do live reads.
Sure, but then you’re still bringing a for-profit company into the mix. PeerTube is your loss-leader and Patreon is your main platform.
Some channels use Ghost instead of Patreon, including one of my favorites Anders Puck
You can monetize PT with Patreon, but you can monetize YT with Patreon and get paid twice.
That’s why YT has 5 9’s of the creators.
I’m with GreenBeard on this and was always saying that monetization is the biggest peertube problem. Patreon and such are not an ideal option, subscription is IMO. A subscription that would be distributed through authors fairly, but that’s not an easy task I suppose.
Like I said, Nebula does it and it’s pretty good. Hard to get on as a creator unless you have a proven follower base elsewhere though. They’re still mainly using YouTube as a farm league.
Might be interesting to see Nebula set up a fund for PeerTube creators and start using that as a farm league, but I don’t know that they have the subscription revenue for that yet.
liberapay can do that already. but apparently they don’t have the necessary API for integration: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/1586#issuecomment-459100710
So they, too, can enshittify your whole experience? Or are they somehow immune from capitalism??
Ah, it’s federated. Makes sense.
It’s a federated network of open source servers, anybody can host it. So, I think we are pretty safe. For now.
a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.
