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That’s the problem with stupid people. When there’s a crisis and people solve it they just go “see there wasn’t a serious crisis”, and next time they go “nothing happened last time, it’s exaggerated”
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Listening?! To scientists?!
Same thing with acid rain. Remember acid rain? When was the last time you heard someone fear mongering about acid rain? Doesn’t really happen anymore, because we passed policies reducing the sulfur content in highway and maritime fuels. Less sulfur being emitted into the atmosphere means less sulfuric acid is formed in clouds meaning the rain is less acidic. We did it.
only recently with maritime fuels and these are still used iirc. the big deal was removal of sulfur dioxide from coal powerplant exhaust by scrubbing it with chalk suspension (which also gives a lot of cheap gypsum) removal of sulfur from gasoline and diesel is technically easier but also there’s a technical reason because sulfur poisons catalysts used to turn shitty gasoline into slightly better gasoline
I thought someone shot Matt Walsh in the neck? Oh wait it was the other guy identical to him in every aspect that matters
It was a Goyper that did it though.
Nick Fuentes needs to be thrown head first into a prison cell and left to rot.
Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer 1985 Am I a joke to you?
Yes, since it did not work as well. It was proto good. A hipster of a convention that needed a follow up by a real Canadian one, with teeth and brawn and chiseled good looks.
And a bulge between the legs.
We need to bring back bullying, but just for people like Matt Walsh
Matt Walsh could very well be a self-hating dyslexic individual who thought his condition was a personal failing and is taking out his hate on everyone.
Ever seen all the news about renewable power growing exponentially? No? It’s because good news is boring and noone has agenda to propagate it.
Actually this is reported on often here in Australia, where renewables (mainly solar) are making drastic changes to our power grid and energy system.
Man different times. Imagine if this happened now.
There’d be lots more 80s hair to battle the woke ideal.
Countries passing regulation for a common good? Sounds too woke for me!
That’s the problem when you live in an information bubble. I clearly remember reports about the ozon layer starting regenerating.
Why do idiots and ignorants still have that much influence? That’s the real mystery!
The internet works as amplifier and they also are more likely to vote in EVERY election.
They have it easier though.
It’s easy to spout off nonsense over and over on repeat. It takes time to sit there and explain how that nonsense is wrong, and by the time you’ve handled that the person you corrected has already moved on and started spouting more nonsense.
Yeah?
But what about Y2K? All those programmers and companies stressed over it and nothing happened! /s
Also also corporations fought the science for about a decade until safer alternatives were developed.
And don’t forget that Tetraethyl Lead was only used as an anti-knock agent because the GM wasn’t able to patent and monetise Benzene.
not because of that, making BTX takes heat and that means burning something else for heat. TEL is cheaper
Proof that corporations will fuck over the entire planet and its entire population and all the animals and plant life just to make mOnEy during their lifetime. Selfish as FUCK.
These people NEVER give up their power unless it is taken from them or they cease to exist.
It isn’t even about the money, it’s about the power and the game. They’re addicted to the pursuit of power and corporate structures feed that addiction.
Yeah they don’t give a shit about money, they just need to win and everybody else needs to lose.
The care about how money is power and the details of its use as power.
Money is everything if power is what you’re after.
You think power isn’t about the money? 😄 (Edit: actually kind of in reverse, but you get me.)
After a certain amount, money is only power.
Exactly 😔
It’s not always, money is just the best way to wield power in a capitalist society. Look at Christofascists, illegalizing trans people, banning abortion, trying to kickstart the apocalypse, none of that is about money, it’s about exerting control over others. It’s accomplished with money, but money isn’t the end goal.
money is just the best way to wield power in a capitalist society
Sorry if it wasn’t crystal clear but that was exactly the point I was trying to make… But I think you still got it. 👍
Ask Jack Ma
I’m not really in contact with him. What are you implying he would answer?
We need to start calling this corborate leaders, or finding a way to indicate it’s the people in charge of the corporations. We’ve been using the aggregate term “corporations” because of conditioning. I know generally we all mean “board of directors” or “shareholders”. But making it common to use some term to indicate “the people in charge”–or just name them in particular–maybe gives us a real target instead of an amorphous boogeyman of “corporations”? I don’t know specifically how to achieve this though…
Is it a few bad individuals, or the entire concept of a corporation?
If I dumped barrels of pollution into the river myself as an individual, then I’d be arrested. But if I hide behind a corporate veil and pay someone else to do it, then nobody gets arrested, and my fine is below the environmental cost.
Corporations are inherently evil. If they weren’t, then they’d just pay for liability insurance like a doctor does. The whole reason they exist is to legally avoid the personal responsibility you suggest. Peacefully protesting outside their houses isn’t enough.
Good point, yeah it’s hard.
Also also also the same corporations changed process to make new stuff and change didn’t require them to go out of business. i can elaborate if anyone wants to
That could’ve been biodeisel if they didn’t fight everything but electric cars.
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Matt Walsh is an unserious goon at best, an actual moron at worst.
But the reason that this sort of anti-science propaganda might actually work on well- intended people is because we don’t advertise our major successes anymore. Or rather, we never really did advertise them enough, but as those successes became less visible compared to, say, a polio vaccine, just as it took scientists to inform us of the problem, they need to inform us of wins too.
When I was a kid in the 90s, we had a lot of alarm bells going off about the Ozone Layer, about acid rains, and climate change (termed “global warming” then). None of these were particularly visible problems to most people. Each of these became massively politicized, but the fix for the first 2 was a relatively narrow remedy: find and implement replacements for hydroflourocarbons through environmental regulations, and cut mainly two compounds, sulfer dioxide and nitrogen oxides, from fossil fuel power plant emissions through cap and trade regulation policies and smokestack scrubbers. And it worked quite well, to the point that the ozone layer is repairing, as are ecosystems previously ravaged by acid rains.
But scientists and the media never advertised that success nearly enough. Honestly we should have been politicizing that success, even, as much as we did the problems. Now it just seems to most like the problem quietly got forgotten like it never really mattered, rather than that it was a massive problem and we fucking fixed it through science, regulation and international cooperation. And that apparent disappearance of the problem without any noticeable change for the average Joe, and the resulting skepticism that it was ever a problem at all, has infected the one ongoing problem, the biggest and most complex of the problems, climate change.
But scientists and the media never advertised that success nearly enough.
The job is a scientist is not to educate and inform the general lay public - that’s the job of the media. People like Bill Nye the Science Guy and Carl Sagan and Neil Degrass Tyson.
For-profit media, for some reason (maybe it’s the profit part?), seems to prefer to focus on the click bait that sells advertisements.
Not placing blame or responsibility. Just explaining a problem that needs a solution. Maybe a major scientific publication should have an annual retrospective that gives major updates and ongoing work and issues that still need attention. Maybe a university program for scientific marketing. Idk. I don’t have a real solution, just identifying a problem.
But why would you expect “scientists” to do so? Don’t we want them mainly… doing science?
Someone should though yes. Given the ongoing rise of fascism all around the globe, I don’t think it’s a priority right now, but yes it would be good.
And since it’s good, my strong guess is that someone already did it. The reason then that we did not hear about it is bc “we” (collectively) did not care to hear about it. We’d rather click on more exciting stuff like which celebrity got yet another ass implant, or something.
Even now, neither of us have run a Google or DuckDuckGo search to try to find it - it’s more fun to talk than to listen 🤪. As monkeys, we run on hormones rather than logic, and it’s easier to feel superior to everyone else than to actually put in effort to better ourselves.
Again, I didn’t say that it was necessarily the responsibility of scientists and it definitely shouldn’t be their responsibility alone. Science communication should definitely be many people’s full time job. But also, yes, I do think scientists should evangelize for themselves too. Do interviews, spread the word. It isn’t an either-or situation. Subject matter experts often talk to the media about the work they do. Why shouldn’t they? And first person knowledge and expertise is always a better source than some journalistic summary.
Even now, neither of us have run a Google or DuckDuckGo search to try to find it - it’s more fun to talk than to listen 🤪. As monkeys, we run on hormones rather than logic, and it’s easier to feel superior to everyone else than to actually put in effort to better ourselves.
We HAVE heard about it. The point is that the general public, your friends and family, your neighbors, your working class community, has not. It’s not even a little bit about feeling superior. It’s that this could 100% be common knowledge.
Just because someone said it and it’s on the internet for you to find if you go searching hard enough and dig past the bullshit propaganda like this post, that doesn’t mean that the communication is done. If my mom hasn’t heard about it, you didn’t get the message out wide enough. It is not common enough knowledge until the average person is not susceptible to bullshit posts like Matt Walsh’s because they aren’t void of any knowledge on the subject.
Putting the onus on individuals in the public to seek out and find the answers is exactly how you get where we are now. Where a small subset of people know the answers and frustratingly have to fight back against incredibly effective misinformation campaigns like this. If we can put the problem in everyone’s face making the “Ozone Layer” and “Climate Change” common layman’s terms, then we can do the same with the wins against those problems.
Knowledge is indeed the cure to lack of information.
The new era though is not merely misinformation but active disinformation. You are trying to cure the problems of two decades ago.
In the modern era, people will be - in fact, already are - “alternatively” educated. Dr. Fauci has his facts, while the common man has their “alternative” facts, which they feel supercede the former. Studies show that when literally paid to do so, citizens who watch a mainstream source of news will have different opinions on matters such as whether COVID was fake or not, in comparison to people who only exposed themselves to e.g. Faux News in the USA (and different, other sources worldwide but the study I am thinking of was in the USA).
So I am saying that 20 years ago I agreed with you. But we are fast heading into an era where the challenges are different. Scientists themselves will likely cease to exist… eventually, and be replaced by “alternative scientists”, and you better believe that those politically active actors will most definitely get the word out just as you said should be done, almost like that task were the real purpose of their existence, as opposed to finding facts.
Hopefully I am wrong.
The COVID vaccine was called a miracle and praised but was quickly squashed by the antivaxers. 🤷
I still remember how relieved we were when my family was finally able to get that vaccine after over a year of worrying about COVID
Wouod be good support for the next big scientific push. “There was a serious ozone problem but the world workes together and the problem was solved! Science can work together with governments to do big things. We need to do those big things to curb global warming!”
The Ozone Layer keeps it warm in the summer, cool in the winter, and it keeps out the sheep.
Then how do we sleep?
Also the hole is still there, but it’s slowly healing now instead of getting worse.
But they told us it was unhealable.
Oh “they” did, did “they”? Well that would be silly since we know how the ozone layer is formed.
All I’m saying I was a child in the 1980s and the fear mongering included telling us that once the ozone layer is diminished, it cannot regenerate. That’s what they told us. But now apparently that’s proven to not be true so here we are.
Cleo Abrams posted a video about this yesterday. If you’re interested to know more, it’s definitely worth a watch! https://youtu.be/yWgHx0HE8m8
I mean, thats kind of how science works.
“We can’t fix this.”
“But we will try anyway.”
“Oh hey, we learned something new, turns out we can fix it.”
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Do it will climate change - now.
We tried. Then fascists bought by oil showed up.
Too much money in oil and coal etc.
This is why we have laws and rules.
